Monday, October 2, 2006

BBC: Rachel's Holiday (Day 1)

I wish I could say I HATED Rachel’s Holiday (since it’s one of that heathen Trollop’s favorite books—and seriously, she just won’t shut up about it!!!), but alas, Marian Keyes has found a new fan in me. *g*

Let’s go straight to the questions then:
  • What is your first impression of Rachel and the situation she’s in? How do your views about her change throughout the book? Do you find yourself liking Rachel more or less as the book progresses? Why?
  • Did you believe Rachel when she said that her drug/alcohol abuse was just normal “party” behavior? How does her relationship towards illegal substances differ from those of her best friend Bridgit?

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22 comment(s):

Blogger Lorelei said...

1. I didn't like Rachel in the beginning, but her self discovery, thinking she doesn't deserve to be loved endeared her to me. She's experienced a lot of pain, guilt and loss, but somehow she manages to stand for herself and learns to heal.

2. Rachel considers her drug abuse just a form of "socializing". But her family is right, that she is an addict and that she needs help, especially after she ends up in a hospital from overdose.

10/02/2006 12:27:00 PM  

Blogger Lorelei said...

BBs, when's the next BBC going to be?

10/02/2006 12:33:00 PM  

Blogger Lorelei said...

I mean BBC book announcement. Jeez... I should read my comment first before publishing! lol

10/02/2006 12:35:00 PM  

Blogger Ladybug said...

I have to say that I am a huge MK fan and even if Rachel's Holiday isn't my favorite of her books, I still enjoyed it tremendously.

I don't know why but I liked Rachel even from the start. LOL She isn't exactly stupid but she's one of those people who's incapable of seeing her reality. And yet reality is what makes this book so good. RH is about the harshness of life, love, family and friendship. It's a bit odd that reading about a delusional drug addict made me feel more about my own reality.

10/02/2006 01:14:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

My first impression of Rachel was, "Wow, she is in COMPLETE denial of being a drug addict!" She had all the classic symptoms so, I saw where this book was going right away.

I found myself not liking Rachel at first because I, personally, have a hard time of finding compassion for people who cause their own problems or are weak and ok with it. I also hate when people blame their problems on others. If you can recognize you have a problem, then you can fight to solve the problem but if you say "I'm a drunk because Daddy didn't love me enough." Well, that's crap. Again, that is my personal opinion.

However, after she had that flashback scene of her and Luke having a good, sober conversation (well, eventually a couple of drinks) the first time they talked, at that party, I started to like her cause I saw the real her, not the high her. Seeing Luke's reactions to her and why he had feelings for her is what made me like her.

Brigit didn't wake up and do drugs, or get drunk, or piss people off by borrowing and stealing stuff all the time. She was able to maintain a job and even get a raise. She was a social user. (But is still stupid for doing drugs, social or not.) That was the difference between Brigit and Rachel, Brigit didn't let the drug control her or take her over.

P.S. I HATED HATED HATED Rachel's sister Helen. (Helen, right? The one that still lived with their mom and dad?)

10/02/2006 02:23:00 PM  

Blogger Petra said...

I agree with GWB about Bridgit. Now I think it's a common thing for people with drug problems (or any kind of addiction) to be in denial at first. So I can't totally blame Rachel for being in that state of being in the beginning of the book. Still, I wanted to yell at her to "come on woman, wake up!"

But between her "holiday" in the Cloisters LOL and her flashback to that time in NY before her breakdown, I found myself warming to Rachel. I guess the people at the Cloisters also helped. The people there are just funny, not to mention Rachel's family. LOL

I liked the second part of the book because there we saw Rachel sobering and overcoming her denial, and we learn more about Luke too. :P

10/02/2006 04:19:00 PM  

Blogger Petra said...

Oh god, Helen is vicious! I hate her too!

10/02/2006 04:20:00 PM  

Blogger Lollie Rose said...

I agree with Petra that people who have addiction are mostly in denial. At first, I actually liked Bridgit more than Rachel. LOL I think they are charming together. Rachel is just too thick headed-for me. But after finding more about her, I started to like her.

Now Rachel's family is an absolute hoot! Still, as much as they made me laugh, it's all about Rachel and her trying to overcome a serious issue of addiction, her issues with her family and her love life. Sigh. Isn't Luke wonderful?

10/02/2006 04:36:00 PM  

Blogger Petra said...

Lollie, I agree. Love love love Luke! Sigh. I wonder who will play him in the upcoming movie? Is it final already that Catherine Zeta Jones will have Rachel's role? :S

10/02/2006 04:48:00 PM  

Blogger Lola Lovegood said...

I am in the Bahamas for a second honeymoon with the DH and paying a ridiculous amount of Money to participate in BBC, since I just finished reading it this weekend and can’t wait to get home to discuss it. I loved this book. Let me say that again, I LOVED THIS BOOK. It’s going straight to the top shelf of my keepers bookshelf =)

Now to the answers:

During the first couple of pages, I was worried about Rachel, I thought she indeed have a problem trying to commit suicide and all, but then, after she explains the poem and how she thought of writing it I thought she was ok. I thought she didn’t have much of a problem, besides doing occasional drugs which made her pretty stupid, but not a drug addict LOL

I don’t think Rachel’s spirit or personality changed throughout the book; something that made me happy. She stayed true to her character’s personality but changed the way she saw herself. MK does a wonderful job with that and I was completely blown away by her writing style. I liked Rachel from beginning to end, except when she dumped Luke to go home with that freak that ended up sobbing for his mom! LOL Oh, and when she pretended she didn’t know him in that art opening.

In the beginning I believed it was party behavior (not normal though) but as the book progresses and she shares more and more of herself and her life with us I saw she had a problem. Especially after we meet Chaquie (LMAO) and I compared her stories to rachel’s then I knew for sure there was something very wrong.

You know, I think bridgit could’ve been an addict too had she not hated the way Rachel made her feel. Also, we see that bridgit takes a mom role with Rachel, so having to take care of her friend might have something to do with her not having to become an addict too.

Have to log off! Paying 11.95 for 15 mins of internet!!! Will be back tomorrow night :) Then catching up Wednesday night when I get home. Dying to know what you girls have been up too!

Ta ta from the Bahamas!

10/02/2006 05:38:00 PM  

Blogger Isabella said...

Have to rush, will be back later with my answers! But may I suggest a book for next BBC? If not another chic lit, romance? :D

10/02/2006 05:53:00 PM  

Blogger Isabella said...

Lola, you're in the Bahamas? OMG I'm so jealous! LOL

Have fun! :D

10/02/2006 05:53:00 PM  

Blogger Danielle De Barbarac said...

I really like Rachel, she's so funny and corky and MK did a great job with fleshing out her character. What I didn't like is how she views herself. Like everyone said, she was in denial and I think that's one of the reasons why many of her relationship (family, friends) are a bit off.

I agree with Lola about Bridgit and Rachel's relationship. This book is labeled as a "chic lit" so to be honest, didn't expect it to take such a painful turn. I think this book is very powerful to be classified as chic lit, narrating a intense life turning experience. And even if the end was a bit too much for me, LOL, I was really glad with the way things turned out for Rachel!

P.S. Lola, hope you have fun at the Bahamas!

10/03/2006 06:37:00 AM  

Blogger Polly King said...

I liked Rachel even from the beginning. Yes she is shallow and in denial of her addiction but this book is the story of recovery and she did it with flair.

Even after Rachel's finally been convinced to go to rehab, she's still not convinced she has a problem. Instead, she sees rehab as a way to meet celebs.. lol. She cringes at the other addicts, not admiting her own, and complains about the lack of celebrity sightings! But MK was amazing in a way, despite all that silliness, we understand Rachel. Especially when she started sharing more of herself. I think this book gives us a good look at how addiction works, confronting one's self and that, no matter how bad it seems, we can all heal.

Can I please just bitch about how I hate MK's book covers? I'm sorry but these stick figures are hideous. It's good to see her newest one finally got a new style!

10/03/2006 07:55:00 AM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

A) Yes, Luke is HOTT

B) C.Z. Jones as Rachel?!? How the hell will they pull that off? She has black hair, after that any Irish looks stop. Well shit, let's get Denzel Washington to play Luke then.

C) MK covers DO suck!

D) I forgot how shallow Rachel was. Eww. Poor Luke, knowing his girl was embarassed by him...

E) Luke is Hott. (Well at least tall dark and handsome with an Irish accent is hott in my little world :) )

10/03/2006 08:51:00 AM  

Blogger Jordis said...

A. Oh god yes. Very.

B. Not to mention CZJ is waaaay too old to play Rachel! (Not that CZJ is old.)

C. MK covers look like they were all coke addict giraffes(sp?).

D. Luke, sigh. Rachel is so lucky, that bitch!

10/03/2006 09:27:00 AM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

Finally I have the time required to discuss one of my all time favorite books! Teehee


I really liked Rachel from the beginning. She was very real to me, because she was so imperfect. It also helped that she has funny/sarcastic observations about her surrounding and thinks much the way I do LOL

I believed her when she said she wasn’t a drug addict. She was so convincing and her reasoning made a lot of sense. So why doubt her? MK wrote this book in a way that you see everything through Rachel’s eyes, and we discover things as she does. My mouth dropped when Josephine told her she was stick thin when she arrived at the clinic and how she went to withdrawal symptoms. But since Rachel doesn’t see/realize those things while they’re happening, neither do we. That’s when I really saw in what a bad shape R. was at the beginning of the book.

Like Lola, I think Rachel did not really change in personality throughout the book, which I adored since I thought her character was pretty much perfect LOL s funny and witty and yet she has the stupidest observations (again a lot like me :P). She did however change the way she saw herself, from hating everything about her appearance and her inside to loving herself; that I liked. Maybe I should give it a try some time LOL

I liked her more and more as the book went on, but HATED HATED HATED the way she treated the wonderful Luke *double sigh* How could she? That made me dislike her for about 10 pages LOL! I especially loved her at the Cloisters. Those freaks brought out the best in her. When the nurse wakes her up for her first breakfast duty I almost died laughing LOL She thought it was a crazy trying to wake her up LOL LOL LOL and the hair guy! Forget his name, he was a real character. Loved The Cloister!

Bridgit wasn’t my favorite character. I think she went all wrong at trying to “help” Rachel. She was very selfish and R. was to her like a funny pet of sorts, and when it got to be too much to handle she just kicked her to the curve.

Bridgit doesn’t have an addictive personality, like R. Does. So that might be why she didn’t become an addict. Also, she was too busy trying to clean R. up so that she would go back to be the funny/idiot friend who made her feel better about herself, and not the sloppy addict.

Love this book!!!

10/03/2006 10:27:00 AM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

OH GOD, how could I forget those sex scenes!!!!!

Luke in the cab, Luke in the bedroom, Luke in the kitches. Could he have been hotter?

JFC, It got to the point I was salivating (like Pavlov's dogs) everytime Luke was mentioned LOL

10/03/2006 10:29:00 AM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

Forgot to say.

Loved the real men!!!! LOL that sharing the leather pants thing made ROTFL!!!

Also love the scene when Rachel and Brigit both wake up in the RM quarters and they're all confused! LOL

P.S. For those who liked MK my second favorite is Last Chance Saloon (I can't say enough about how good that book is!). Watermelon is loved by many so you guys might want to give that one a try too. It's the first Walsh family book (tons more Helen LOL).

I love/hate Helen. She's a wonderful/complex character yet I dispise her for it! LOL

Did I say I LOVE this book? LOL

BTW up that was Luke in the Kitchen!

10/03/2006 10:34:00 AM  

Blogger Polly King said...

Those Real Men are a hoot! It's ironic how they're called "Real Men" when they are trapped in a time warp with their late 80s metal style! LMAO

10/03/2006 01:34:00 PM  

Blogger Serendipity said...

I had this impression that Rachel was in self-denial in the beginning. I am a skeptic and I jumped into assumption that she's a drug addict in denial.

As an aside, if Catherine Zeta-Jones is going to play Rachel, how is she going to managed "skeletal" dug-addicted look? I mean she's beautiful and all, but she's also on the hefty side. Do you think she'll ruin the Rachel we love?

I love, love this book, and would have like more time to write, but bedtime for the heathens here.

10/03/2006 08:33:00 PM  

Blogger Isabella said...

I believed Rachel at first that she's not supposed to be in the Cloisters, that she's been wrongly "incarcerated" in a rehab for a habit she only do during parties. But as you read more, you'll realize how serious Rachel's problem is and how much in denial she's been.

I HATED Brigit in the beginning. I agree with Trollop that she did it all wrong with Rachel, but by the end I understood where she was coming from.

Loved the Real Men! LOL

10/04/2006 04:27:00 AM