Thursday, February 9, 2006

Ding dong, the bitch is dead

by Harlot and Vicious Trollop

Just last December, I, Harlot, *batting eyelashes* became a member of Judith McNaught’s BB. A long time fan of this phenomenal author, it was a pleasure for me to post there—plus it’s a great place to dig up gossip for blog LOL. I liked that, similar to my other BB, women there appeared to be refined and welcoming. Boy, WAS I WRONG.

Ladies there have tried to run Trollop and me off the BB by ignoring and/or trashing us; unfortunately for them, to no avail. *g* It’s very funny, I tell you. Haven’t they realized already that: a) we don’t care, as in we don’t give a flying fuck, b) we’re smarter, MUCH smarter (humility is not a virtue, besides it’s true :P), and c) we’re shameless bitches.

I’m not sure when/how they started thinking of me as the “enemy.” Maybe it was the time I stood up for someone they were humiliating, or perhaps the time I mentioned the word “boobs” on a post. I mean, had I any idea that it was okay to backstab people, call them names, humiliate and belittle them, be rabid hypocrites and play God was okay—but that naming parts of the anatomy was wrong—well I’d have acted much different! I’d have told them that they had “huge-ass tits that look like oranges inside old socks!” Or would have that been wrong too? *confused smiley*

After doing some research, we, that is, Trollop and I, finally saw the bigger picture. We started understanding how the JMBB really works; some might see it divided between the so called “veterans” of the board and the lowly newbies. But mostly, the board is divided between the chickenshit members who are afraid of the “vets,” and the ass-kissing members who want so badly to belong that they’re willing to sell their first born child for it, not to mention their common sense and integrity.

Now we present you with facts and you decide for yourselves:

Fact: Not all the so called “vets” are putrid gossipmongers. To our knowledge it’s only: Di Westmoreland, Casee McCord, Shan Van, Shannon, Shirly, Evelyn, and Bren. (Though, anyone that wants to chime in with a name is mighty welcomed. :P)
Fact: Most ladies in the board are nice.
Fact: Di, we’re going to take a vicious bite out of your “cellulite ridden ass” (as you asked us to) and it isn’t going to be pretty, not to mention disgusting. *gag* We’ve seen blue ribbon hogs smaller than you.


Exact transcript from PRIVATE emails exchanged with Bren Westmoreland. But since, apparently, she felt the uncontrollable urge to share them with the entire BB to continue bashing and trashing Harlot, not to mention making fun of her, I think it’s only fair that I make her emails public too!

Di Westmoreland (1/12/2006 9:27:42 PM): LaWhore?

Email from Bren: “This was not Di. If you are talking about the chat where I heard Harlot called the names you mentioned before, I can unequivocally tell you it was not Di who was talking about Harlot. I won’t deny she agreed with what was said but so did many people who were there. She did not say one thing to sway anyone’s opinion of Harlot. You have the wrong person. I won’t tell you who because it doesn’t matter. I’m just tired of everyone assuming it’s always Di who’s doing something when in this matter it clearly was not.”

Di Westmoreland: (about Harlot’s hot seat day) A lot of references to sex??? It was disgusting. And she thought it was amusing????? WTF? It was hideous! And she thought she was being amusing? I’m sorry – but I beg to differ. Oh! I heard through the grapevine that Niki’s questions upset her greatly. To the point of tears.

Bren, I’m sorry but when did I say that she was upset to the point of tears? So you’re not only a person without any integrity whose word is worth less than used toilet paper, but you’re a liar too?

**Transcripts from actual chats initiated and promoted in the JMBB. (For those of you whose images shrink when you click the link, hold your mouse over the bottom right hand corner of the image, a little zoom box will pop up; click it to expand the image to its regular size.)


Oh, Di, you poor thing. Constantly fighting, “blood, sweat and tears” to keep your pretend marriage alive. (That makes me wonder who’s keeping your real husband alive while you’re fighting for the fake one. On that note, who the hell is raising your kids? As I calculate, you’ve spend an average of 8 hours a day in that BB for the last SEVEN YEARS as we’re so fucking tired of hearing.) I’m guessing Kaddison caught you on a bad day, perhaps problems with your real husband? Or even worse, *gasp* problems with your fake one?!? Shame on you, Kaddison, for having a perfect life, and *shock* for sharing it with others!!! Tsk, tsk... What were you thinking to discuss such a vicious, dirty thing on Di’s BB?

Oh, and BTW, Di, you mentioned Katrina. If you were so worried about the victims and thought that Kaddison was being a heartless bitch and should have used her time better, why didn’t YOU? The hours you spend on that BB harassing and humiliating others could have been well spend to help those less fortunate than us. So instead of using up that time to rip Kaddison apart, why didn’t you drag that lard ass of yours out of that chair and used it for something worthwhile?


KAM is a regular poster of the JMBB. I had no idea as to what they were referring to when I first read a “HUG” threads that started on the BB (thread has been since erased, probably due to threat) in which they were giving Mrs. KAM some support. Of course, my instincts told me there was something verra, verra fishy going on there; so I started digging. Surprise, surprise, but what do I find: the “vets” knee deep in doodle. Seems to me they quite enjoy it, as it appears to be their favorite place. I don’t have the exact transcripts of this fun family affair, all this live from their “virtual living room” where a person nicked Vicious Trollop is not welcomed (but apparently trashy behavior and dirty words are all the rage), but I do have a copy of the thread posted for KAM. Click here.


Wendy Sue (okay, just the name is funny). Actually she’s the least important as she can’t form an opinion on her own. All she does is agree with her god, Di. I pity her. Somehow I keep imagining her as big lips (for kissing fat-ridden asses) on top of a neck, without a head. My heel has more class than this homophobe.

“Well, I tend to flush my crap on a regular basis.”

Thanks for sharing, Wendy. That was very enlightening and, uhhh... fucking gross!

“I was just wondering... if someone is... gay... Does that mean that they’re attracted to themselves?”

I’m sorry, lady, but someone has to take a whip to you. That is, most probably, one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.

“Queif is when you fart out of your HOO-HA LaQuiefer has bery stinky hoo-ha.”

Quite the gem our precious Wendy. *g*

And then there was the time she told us the charming story of her vaginal infections during her honeymoon but, alas, this post is taking too long as it is and I’ve no time to search for this specific thread. *sigh*


Meet Niki: the sociopath adulteress.

This is the lady who keeps insinuating I’m a whore. Niki, babe, surely you’re the sharpest knife in the drawer. How did you ever discover my secret? Oh, wait, my nick is HARLOT, what else would I be? And honestly, I’m Harlot but you’re the Whore of Babylon, for who else would boast so proudly of being a cheater?

“That was my wedding song!!!! And, it’s about not cheating....(guess what, I did)! If you knew my ex- husband, you’d be proud of me, and understand the “Guess What” part.”

“I wish others were as cognizant of what constitutes TMI.”

These were Niki’s words to me! LOL


Shannon, now you, my dear, are both dumb and cruel: bad combo. Maybe an exorcist could help? Be sure and let me know how that works out.

“... What hurts me most is that Judith has not stepped up to defend the veteran posters here. At all. I’ve met you on 2 occasions Judith and found you to be a lovely, gracious woman, but this just breaks my heart. You’ve stood up for the new posters, but not those of us that have put our heart and soul into this board – and you – for years. This board long ago ceased to be a fun place for me. I’m not sure why I’ve held on so long except that letting go is always hard. I can’t take the negativity in my life anymore.”

So Shannon not only confronted Judith but threatened to leave, which was really funny because:
a) Judith bid her farewell, and didn’t beg Shannon for forgiveness or for her to stay (as she was apparently hoping for)
b) because she stayed!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO! After totally humiliating herself she stayed! *wiping tears from my eyes*

***Note: Jsgirl, whoever you are, you TOTALLY ROCK! (Plus you saved me tons of research time, hee.)


These girls joined the BB when JM announced a raffle of an early copy of Every Breath You Take. And guess what happened when Jezebel won: the “vets” had to be locked up in a “resting home” (AKA a looney bin). After all that “blood, sweat and tears,” after “seven years,” after “all the time and effort we’ve put into this board,” JM gave the ARC to Jezebel. Poetic justice if I’ve ever seen any—and pretty damn funny too!

I wish I could say I’ve learned something from this tasteless ordeal but, alas, no. Perhaps, after this post, these “ladies” will learn something about humility (though I honestly doubt it). It seems to me some of these women are bitter outcasts, shunned from polite society, and the only way they can feel good about themselves is by humiliating others. (Those who want to chip in to pay for some therapy sessions, please email us. I’m sure they’ll be most grateful!)

I don’t know if Judith McNaught is aware of any of this. My guess would be no, because I don’t think she would condone these things, let alone allow them to continue happening. It’s very sad that this is the way she is being represented in her online home.

So now you know, dear readers, we are the “Bitch Police” blowing the whistle on losers like these. Watch out and behave because we, like a bad rash, are everywhere. Ha!

Di, what say you? Because we say: DING DONG, THE BITCH IS DEAD!

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108 comment(s):

Blogger Tart said...

I'm so glad you posted this. They are truly nasty pieces of shit. Rabin fangirls and fanwanking at its worst. Go Harlot & VT. You rock girls :D

2/09/2006 07:59:00 PM  

Blogger Tart said...

Err, that should be rabid fangirls (my bad LOL).

2/09/2006 08:00:00 PM  

Blogger Dylan said...

Coming from a girl who used to post at the JMBB, many moons ago, I so remember all the stupid ass drama that those stupid ass Vets served on a daily basis...I hated that the board was so NOT newbie friendly. They get on my nerves and I quit posting there, because who wants to post with a bunch of sour old heiffers who get all aggravated over a friggin MADE UP character?

You pinned each and every reason why I cannot stand that bunch of whiny, stuck up cows and I applaud you guys for it!

Isn't it very cliquey (sp?) there? Hated those ugly heffalumps, but had I known you guys would have started posting there, I probably would have stuck around, you guys are SO much more fun then they will ever be!

Big hugs and ROCK ON BITCHES!!

2/09/2006 08:10:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How dare you post this during dinner time when i couldn't even finish reading it! then had to give the little girl a bath and now cann't finish until 9:30 after my dancing show!

Actually I'm shocked! And the transcripts only show for a second then disappear. I need to review this again!

2/09/2006 09:02:00 PM  

Blogger Holly said...

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2/09/2006 09:02:00 PM  

Blogger Holly said...

Ohh...I did have something to add, however.

A few years ago (I'm pretty sure it was years, anyway) JM herself emailed the "vets" of the board and told them to make nice or she'd ban them herself. She said something to the effect of, "They're fans, just like you are."

So good on JM. She probably does't realize it's happening again, or maybe, like the rest of the world, just doesn't care enough to get involved.

2/09/2006 09:04:00 PM  

Blogger Holly said...

And on another note...Something I didn't notice the first time around (I wish I could edit my damn comments, because I feel like a freakin idiot posting several...hmmm...perhaps I should proof read??)...

I have to disagree with you about Casee McCord. Though I'm not involved with this particular incident, I do know her very well and I have to say she's one of the best people I've ever met. I know first impressions and all that, but I do love the girl.

Of course, we never have seen eye-to-eye on the issue of the JMBB, but still, I wouldn't feel like a good friend if I didn't defend her.

2/09/2006 09:11:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forgive my naivete, but I had no idea this stuff went on behind the boards! It's despicable!!!! I thought these BB were all about good-heartedness and good books!

Please tell me this is not even slightly evident at myfavauthors BB. Someone had posted there,after my SCREECHING debacle "at least it doesn't look like you were shunned"
God forbid.

What I am seeing is that i have no right to tell another not to post under my post, whether I'm mortified by my post or not. Was thinking that yesterday, just suffer the consequ of my own insane action.
I'm also finding out the hard way that it's easy to offend people if I'm not really careful, posting to such abroad range of people.W/out meaning to of course.

All I can say about JMBB is that the "bitch police" should go right back and cause as much trouble as they can punch out!


2/09/2006 11:33:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

Holly, will take your word about Casee :D It's very comendable that you're standing up for your friend :D

Tami, our fave author's bb is a wonderful place. I've been there five years and nothing remotely similar to this has ever happend. Of course "the class" would never allow it.

And don't worry babe, our bb is full of kind-hearted people so the ladies there will always look at the nice side of everyone's posts instead of jumping down their throats for a misunderstanding. Also we there is a post you don't like/ find offensive just ignore it, like any decent person would :D

Tart, yes we do Rock! lol I love writing pieces like this. Someone had to bring all that filth to the light, so glad it was us! We had a blast working on this!

Holly, Dylan: I had no idea you ladies had been/were part of the JMBB and I didn't know that JM was aware of, at least, some of this. It is truly sad, how horrible that place can be at times! V. happy you guys got away without permanent scars! LOL

2/09/2006 11:44:00 PM  

Anonymous Ann said...

Is JMBB the same BB that was talked about as the 'grammer correctors' and other such picky shit?
I've never posted on another board besides the 'favorite author's board'. I love that bb and thank God no one is bitchy there because on several occasions I've said something stupid, I'm sure!
But the evil side of me is just itching to post on JMBB so that I can create a little problem. What does that say about me?
I'm with Tami, the 'bitch police' should definitley have a little fun with them.
I couldn't read the links but I'll take your word for what goes on. Thanks for the heads up!

2/09/2006 11:53:00 PM  

Blogger SAM said...

Holy crap, remind me to never get on the bad side of you ladies. Great post. Glad I don't contribute on the JMBB anymore. I hope all those morons see this.

Keep it up, ladies. You're fantastic.

2/09/2006 11:59:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

Ann, how come you couldn't read the links babe? :( *sniff* I could email them to you if you want *wink* wouldn't want you to feel left out, lol :P

Oh, and yes, the thread was called "people with bad typing skills" (I think. Honestly whoever posted/answered that must not have been well in the head. I mean, what do you think people are going to reply when you are critisizing the way they type their posts?

2/10/2006 12:00:00 AM  

Blogger SAM said...

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2/10/2006 12:01:00 AM  

Anonymous Ann said...

Yeah, I totally feel left out. I love this kind of crap! I would click on it (the link), it would show up then instantly go tiny.
As you may recall I am a bit of a computer ass so it could be that I can fix it and just don't know how.

2/10/2006 12:06:00 AM  

Anonymous Ann said...

WAIT, VT! I'm not a total ASS, WOOHOO!
I fixed it.
Okay, it was easy but seriously happy with my handy work.

2/10/2006 12:07:00 AM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

Ann, email me at I will forward them to you! They are quite intersting.

2/10/2006 12:10:00 AM  

Anonymous Ann said...

VT, I just read them. First who is this bitch, DI? And who is the idiot that called herself an
'internet bully', like it's something to be proud of. I don't get these people, they're complete morons.
I'm totally annoyed!
Plus, I felt a little protective of Harlot when I read that crap about putting her in the hot seat. Please tell me she turned the 'internet bully' into a pile of shit!

2/10/2006 12:25:00 AM  

Blogger Isabel said...

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2/10/2006 01:42:00 AM  

Anonymous Jsgirl said...

Just wanted you all to know that the links open up small for me also. They would be big then go small! :( Luckily for me I have read my own thread and the chats... who needs enemies, or you guys... when they can have friends who like to sell their secrets! LOL

Not sure how I feel about "totally rocking" but... uh... your welcome? I am still in shock of someone from that board actually acknowledging me for the first time since that post, need a thread killed... I'm your girl! LOL

Thanks for the titilating read... I think! LOL

2/10/2006 04:10:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well hello! You ladies have made my evening a very entertaining one. Just so you know this has finally leaked its way over to the JMBB. So I think most of you ladies will be in for a lovely little uproar when some of the "vets" are finally put in their place. But as you know there are a lot of thick skulls out there. Unfortunately it will probably happen on the JMBB. I would hate to disrespect Judith in this way. But alas, I'm here to let you know that you are not alone in your feelings. I also agree with you that most of the ladies on the board are very nice, even some of the "vets", Stacy Lynn would come to mind. I just wanted to let you know that I was very entertained by your amusing and sadly truthful summarization of these "vets". Namely Di, I've had a problem with her for years. I may be wrong but I do think there was one arguement where she declared "this is our BB" *scoff* Lady get a life. Have you noticed since the last little tiff how she has made a point to start socializing with some of the newer memebers. She always speaks of trolls coming onto the board and causing trouble, but my dear it always seems as if you are in the middle or the start of most of the trouble. So does that make her the Troll, she so viscously speaks of?So sorry this post is so long, keep up the good work! Cheers!

Oh yes...about the links that pop up big and then go small. If you just hold your mouse over the bottom right hand corner of the picture, a little zoom box will pop up, if you click it, the picture will go larger. Hope that helps! :D


2/10/2006 04:13:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bravo! Well done, bitch police!

It's about time these snakes masquerading as ladies on Judith McNaught's board are skinned.

For Ms. McNaughts sake, perhaps some good will come out of this very long overdue revelation.

*shrug* One can only hope.

2/10/2006 04:16:00 AM  

Blogger Harlot said...

Aw.. Ann, thanks babe. :D Don't worry, i did fine on my hot seat if i may say so myself LOL.

Oh Jsgirl, so glad you're here! It's true, you totally rock!!

Lola, oh LOL i jsut saw. (Countess of Langford, whoever you are, thanks babe for the free ad. :D Of course they'll think i'm you. LOL)

Btw, Lola i hope you don't mind me putting your instructions for the shrinking image on the post itself so poeple will immediately see. :D

Also, have to be honest and say i think Stacy Lynn is a nice lady too. Not kidding LOL. People immediately think i hate her because of my views of the Claiming Game, but alas, it's not true. And for the record, even if Matt Farrell is free, oh LOL, i am not one to claim him. Besides, i have my own real Matt already, thank you. :)

Anon, oh we hope so too..

2/10/2006 04:59:00 AM  

Anonymous ann said...

I couldn't resist a little lurking over on the JMBB. So this 'hot seat' stuff is a regular thing. Huh.
I didn't read any responses to the questions but it made me wonder what sort of questions were asked of Harlot. Did you post this as a link and I missed it?

2/10/2006 09:41:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was a semi-lurker of the Mcnaught message board for some time. I was looking into reading her books. I'd just started reading romance, and kept bumping into her books online and in bookstores.

I could not believe how rude some people were, especially to the new members. Needless to say I never posted, neither did I buy JM's books. Their ill-will put me off her books. It might sound stupid, but it's true.

I wish I'd had the balls to say something back then. But am non-confrontational.

You ladies rock.

2/10/2006 09:45:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everything you wrote on this post, is soooo true. I've also lurked at that board and can't believe how rude some of those women are. Mainly Di. I think you guys are awesome. Keep up the good work.

Their bad attitudes brought this on themselves.

I think you ladies are great. Keep up the good work.

2/10/2006 10:16:00 AM  

Blogger Bawdy Babe said...

Di is a skank. JM should have throw that evil troll off her bb long ago. Evil Troll has even dissed JM and said that it was "her" bb and JM did nothing.

So sad to say that I have lost respect for JM, who I think is a great writer btw. How could she allow these bullies represent her bb? Shameful. I won't be spending money on a JM book again.

2/10/2006 10:53:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry I have to disagree with Holly, I think Casee McCord is Di's baby pit bull dog in training. LOL

But what is so SAD and I don't think Ms McNaught is aware of this at all. Is that there is someone at S&S giving them private information. I think I might know who that someone is but I'm not sure how to get the info to S&S.

So BEWARE ladies over at the JMBB. That your private information is going into someone else hands.

2/10/2006 11:19:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I used to be a regular poster on there. don't go there much anymore since they trashed my best friend on there. she left. I only go there once in a while and anything I post is ignored, except for one lady whom has always been very nice to me. I won't name her here because I don't want anything to hurt her that I might say.
I love JM books, and have posted with her a little when she has come on the board. I honestly don't think that if she knew the extent of the goings on that she would allow them. she'd have the board taken down, first.
I may have to lurk a bit, just to watch the fireworks,lol.

2/10/2006 11:20:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh my gosh that was so funny even this lurker had to post. Sometimes I wonder what the deal is with people who have nothing better to do than to denigrate others or try to "Control" a board. Wonder what they are like in real life, ya know? Anyway, thanks for making my day --- couldn't stop laughing.

2/10/2006 11:46:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like women over at the JMBB got wind and they are saying something about slander and libel.

Oh please. You are just mad because what these women said about you are true. Get over it.

2/10/2006 12:04:00 PM  

Blogger Bawdy Babe said...

thats pretty funny. whats going to be funnier how they are going to be laughed out of a lawyers office. Truth is not libel/slander worthy. And if they did get a lawyer, who is going to pay for it? And we are an international blog. Are they going to hire 4 lawyers for each country represented on this blog?

Besides Evil Troll Di doesn't scare me or anyone else on this blog.

If they want to sue, go for it. One of us bitches btw, is a international lawyer.

2/10/2006 01:44:00 PM  

Anonymous Bitches Rock P&P ;) said...

I'm with Harlot and the bitch babes 100%...Although i've been advised by a crazy, sweet friend not to post my name :(

Yeah, I laughed my ass of too...I've been at the BB for about a month now and dont feel the inclination to post anymore...Its too messy, political and sometimes just plain Mean...
As for the legal eagles... you have one of your own, dontcha ;P ;P

"You are just mad because what these women said about you are true. Get over it" LOL
:D get your grammer right and then post!!!

You Rock bitches!!!!!!!!!

2/10/2006 01:59:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I reread my comment "Oh please. You are just mad because what these women said about you are true. Get over it."

Yeah, my grammer sucks. I'm the first to admit it! ha ha. But so there is no confusion, I meant that towards the JMBB. The women at the JMBB are just mad because everything on this post is true.

I fully support the book bitches. Sorry for the confusion. :)

2/10/2006 02:21:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

hee!!! Another suppoter..Keep counting.. I'm sorry for being mean.. i thought you supported the "others" LOL

2/10/2006 02:28:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

No worries. :)

2/10/2006 02:30:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm...I'm rather shocked and impressed that for ONCE Di has not ran head first into an brawl. Bitches...and I do mean that with THE upmost have done a job well done. The post has actually worked its way down to the bottom of the page with only one response from a vet. I think they're too shocked. Also, FYI, I think the legal action they would be taking would be coming from Di herself, I do believe she is a lawyer of some sort. Seems like this was mentioned a few weeks ago.

Also I'm interested in this "my favorite author"? forum you seem to speak so highly of. I think I may pop over there and check things out. Could use some new scenery if you know what I'm saying.


2/10/2006 02:51:00 PM  

Blogger Malicious Strumpet said...

Wow. These women from the JMBB scare me.

Actually, the kind of just make me sad, because they'r wasting so much negativity on nothing. It makes one wonder how pathetic their lives must be that they need to stomp all over other people. Who knows.

Well, Harlot - you know I love ya, babe. And all this stuff from that board is just sillyness.

2/10/2006 02:55:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a message to say: "Di is not an lawyer, she is an office manager." Is she wants to manage you, hey let her maybe she could teach you the true word of being a bitch! :)

2/10/2006 03:33:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, the kind of just make me sad, because they'r wasting so much negativity on nothing. It makes one wonder how pathetic their lives must be that they need to stomp all over other people.

That's funny, because that's exactly what I was just thinking about all of you.

Why do you care if someone on the board doesn't like you and decides to ignore you? You don't like them, so what's it to you? The ignore tactic makes someone a snob. The tactic you're using is inflamatory, rude, malicious and completely unneccesary. I'll leave it up to everyone else to decide what exactly that makes you.

2/10/2006 03:35:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that you, Di?

2/10/2006 03:49:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

that's what I was thinking. ha ha. The ignore tactic makes someone a snob you said.

That's what you do right? oh no, you are just plain rude and a bitch to everyone.

2/10/2006 03:53:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, it is not Di, nor is it anyone you know.

I would just like to point out that you have brought a new level of nastiness to the JMBB that far surpasses anything Di or anyone else you hate has ever done or said.


2/10/2006 04:17:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...


I'm Stacy Lynn. I'm from the JMBB. I'm "a vet" of which some of you are very nastily speaking.

I'd like to make a couple of comments:

1-"You say most of the ladies on the board are nice."

Which is true. I can tell you that your bringing this blog entry to the JMBB hurts the nice ones the most. We don't deserve it. I'm not excusing any inappropriate behavior on the parts of the vets or newbies, but there are many of us who work very hard trying to keep the JMBB our haven.

2-You keep referencing the topic about how people type in their posts.

I posted to that topic. It was a person who asked about preferences which means opinions. I gave my opinion. I never said anyone HAD TO post a certain way. I continually said what I preferred. No one said anyone was wrong for the way they type their posts. No one said anything about someone whose first language is not English. Many ladies, including myself, said they found text speak annoying. I continually stressed that I do not, nor have ever, text messaged anyone and, therefore, found it difficult to read and follow a post by someone using text speak. I just feel like you were (and still are) intentionally misunderstanding or misinterpreting some of the ladies' replies. Or either you're hypersensitive.

I don't know what else to say. I know you were making a point.

Can I say something? Point taken.

On behalf of the majority you consider to be nice, can this be over?

Stacy Lynn

2/10/2006 04:18:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm going over to see what this is about...


2/10/2006 04:44:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's funny, because that's exactly what I was just thinking about all of you.

Why do you care if someone on the board doesn't like you and decides to ignore you? You don't like them, so what's it to you? The ignore tactic makes someone a snob. The tactic you're using is inflamatory, rude, malicious and completely unneccesary. I'll leave it up to everyone else to decide what exactly that makes you.

It makes them honest. The people at the board have a right to know what these women are like. And honestly if it were just them ignoring Harlot and VT, that would have been okay by them, but did you even read the chats? They're trying to turn everyone against them with vicious boldfaced lies, basically, running them off the bb. I'm all for "live and let live" but that's not what was going on here.

2/10/2006 04:55:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...


We were not the ones who posted that link in JMBB. Actually, I honestly wish no one had done that, b/c, as you can see, we made a great effort to not even link the bb from here. Exactly b/c we didn't want to hurt any of the nice people there.

I'm truly sorry, for the fact that someone, either thinking we would want it, or doing it to hurt us felt the need to link there.

With that said, everything we've posted in the chats and other links is NOT in any way embellished or edited. Those are EXACT transcripts (I had to cut a lot of the chat off b/c it was too long but everything that it says in the chat link was said by the individuals who participated in it and it’s posted in their EXACT words). If you want (or anyone else for that matter) to see the complete chat email me at: and I will forward it.

I also have other stuff we kept out of this post, b/c it would hurt and humiliate nice people in that BB, b/c of really mean (and I mean REALLY mean) comments made by some "Vets". So you see, it is not my intention to hurt anyone, but to let some of these people realize how their comments hurt and affect others.

The rest are our comments to these posts (which is our right to have and post in our blog).

On behalf of the majority you consider to be nice, can this be over?

Yes, :) we’ve said our peace. For a couple of weeks I was willing to leave well enough alone (even after reading those awful comments and unfounded attacks on chat!), and then one of the "vets" emailed me, and I couldn't keep quiet anymore. We felt it was necessary to bring this to the light. B/c there have been many people hurt there, unnecessarily hurt!

I also want to say, the only thing posted here, besides our personal comments, are the exact words that were written to hurt all those ladies (just look at the number of people who have commented, 99% of them saying that similar things to this had happened to them there). We have not made up ONE single word of this. And of course, we have everything to prove it (including the six people who send us the chat transcripts).

You’re a nice lady Stacy, God bless.

2/10/2006 04:57:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, this is Gina Marie...
I've been AWOL from the JMBB for almost two weeks. I had noticed that you, VT and Harlot, were not on there for a while... In fact, I lifted an eyebrow when I clicked on this link. I'm very sorry for the negativity that you experienced there. I'm not dismissing anything that you wrote... you may remember that I started up a shitstorm of my own on the JMBB in December. However, I find myself grow sad as I read this. I would hate for anyone who has never had the opportunity to stop by the JMBB to think that the whole BB is rotten. *shrug* Drama on the JMBB can be quite nauseating, but there are some fantastic gals who keep me coming back and some facinating ones who have me raising an eyebrow (sometimes a good thing, sometimes not). I don't like to think that I ignore other members (in fact I believe that I am quite a considerate responder) but what the hell do you say in response to some of the crap on the board??? *Shrug* I just choose to not respond.

Anyhow, if this post on your site means that you will not longer be posting on the JMBB, Harlot and VT, then I'll definitely be missing your posts. You added many interesting reads there. I've laughed my fat ass off more than once. My only regret is that I missed your hot seat, Harlot. :b I guess that I'll have to come here to read all your bitching, LOL.

Anyhow, I just wanted to mention that the JMBB doesn't belong to just a select few. We are all individuals and just as in real life, some members click better with certain other members. Others do not control to whom I respond to and I would very much like to see you stop by every now and then. If not, then I know where to find you busy gals. Talk to you later ( is if I'm not included on your black list, LOL!)!

Gina Marie

2/10/2006 10:22:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

Hi Gina :D

I'm going to take some time to answer comments individually, but when I saw your name really wanted to say HI :D You are one of the funniest, nicest people I've come across in a long time :D Stop by any time babe, we'd love it if you did! How is Phillip BTW? Do I still get discount *wink* lol

I don't think Harlot and I will be posting in JMBB anymore. But those of you who want to come over and spend some time with us here, are more than welcomed!

As for Harlot's Hot Seat, I have a copy babe :D So you can read it for yourself! You know Harlot, the answers are funny and witty, very entertaining.

2/10/2006 10:58:00 PM  

Blogger Marie said...

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2/11/2006 12:13:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey VT,
Thanks for giving me the executive treatment.:b I'll take you up on your offer and would like it very much if you could e-mail me a copy of the hot seat. Check out my really cool e-mail address: Original, huh? Anyhow, let me know when you want to shop at Bancroft's... I'll arrange to have the store closed for your private shopping pleasure. It's up to you if you want to bring Harlot, LOL!

Harlot, you know that I won't have security stop you from coming in.:D

As for Phillip, you know that I'm still working on him if you know what I mean.*wink* Pretty soon we'll be able to get everthing for free!

Gina Marie

2/11/2006 01:07:00 AM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

Gina M.

We don't take Harlot out that much :P lol We keep her medicated and on a tight leash. Besides she doesn't like shopping, so I think I'll be taking that discount all by myself *wink*

I actually love Phillip. But do not get Bawdy started on him. lol The nicest thing she has to say about him is that he reminds her of Homer Simpson!

In any case, stick around babe :D We'll be having book discussions soon. We work really hard to keep blog entertaining, and add new stuff every day :D

2/11/2006 01:16:00 AM  

Blogger queenie said...


You do me a grave injustice on several levels. You silence me. You question my honesty by doubting that what I present is mine, is in fact, mine. And you demean me by implying that I am someone's lackey.

And then you welcome me and say hope that I like it here.

How can I feel welcome when in the aftermath of my first post, I had been unduly censored, unjustly accused and unfairly insulted?

2/11/2006 02:09:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, Ladies -

Just wanted to let you know that I appreciated your article. I also wanted to note that when I was a "newbie" you both posted welcome messages to me in my intro post, but funny enough, not many of the "vets" did. What does that tell you about how they really treat people that are not part of their clique? There are so many nice people on the BB and a few of the so-called vets spoil the fun for everyone. Anyway, I wanted to let you know I appreciated your honesty in the article and your kindness to a JMBB newbie. Thanks!

Keeping myself anon. for now so I don't get outrageously flamed on the BB!

2/11/2006 02:55:00 AM  

Blogger Bawdy Babe said...

Not Homer Simpson, VT, Mr. Burns. Come on, now that I said it, don't you have a visual image?

2/11/2006 08:02:00 AM  

Anonymous Ann said...

VT, did you get my email re: Harlot's hot seat? Wasn't sure if it went through (computer froze up on me last night). Wanted to check.

2/11/2006 09:56:00 AM  

Blogger Harlot said...


I can see Trollop already answered, i jsut want to add some things.

About that topic of people typing bad, we didn't even mentioned it in the article. I want you to know that i understand your views complete well, but i think you still misunderstood my stand in this. My view of the matter is still the same: threads like that tend to belittle people, no matter what's the intent. Honestly, it's like seeing a person who can't write and then in front of him, asks your friend, "Do you think it's stupid how some poeple don't know how to write?" This is not people feeling sensitive, this is just noticing and saying why there are problems on the BB in the first place.

Stacy, i just want to say that i am truly, truly sorry about that thread linking us in the BB. It wasn't us as Trollop and i even made sure not to link any thread from there.

Take care.

2/11/2006 12:23:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

Hey Gina Marie,

Like Trollop said, i don't think we're posting at JMBB anymore. Btw, *whispers* give me all Trollop's discount okay? Don't worry about her, when i buy my Jimmy Choos, i'll buy her some toe socks, she loves those. ;)

GM, you know this article is in no way an attack to JM or the whole BB. Just exposing what other ladies there had been doing for a long time now. If they really love that BB, they will treat others with the same respect, without prejudice and belittling other people.

When i found what the others are doing against me behind my back, i still stayed at JMBB. Why? Because like i said i really enjoyed it there; i stayed for JM and for the girls liek you that have been really nice to me and Trollop. Unfortunately, they kept attacking us, even at BB. So, we did it OUR way, on OUR place. And THAT is what some people who act high and mighty and thinks they're so smart keep insisting we're twisting the truth JUST DON'T GET, lol. :P

2/11/2006 12:41:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello, Harlot and Vicious Trollop!

It's Nestezy from JMBB. I've read your article, links attached to it and comments. But I'm not really here to make a comment. I just have a question for VT. I've sent you an email yesterday and still didn't get the answer. I was just wondering whether it's coming or not, unless, as Gina Marie put it, I'm included in your black list too. :D I hope I deserve a reply at least to this. Thank you.

~ Nestezy

2/11/2006 03:40:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

VT and Harlot,

Just to warn you the Vets will never cease until they get their revenge.

How do I know this? Because I'm long time poster at JMBB. I was once been attack, mildly though, I survived. LOL They will rest the matter for awhile, then boom! they will stab you at the back without warning. They've done this to many people who had join JMBB. Left the board bleeding. Very sad.

Just take care.

I much enjoy your blogs, by the way. I think I'll come back here more often.


2/11/2006 04:21:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...


We've been very busy. The chats and other transcripts are in jpg file, which means we have to modify them to be able to send them as readable text. We will get to it as soon as RL and blog permits us. I'm sorry i haven't been able to reply to a lot of your emails.

2/11/2006 04:30:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Bitches and BB members,

I am remaining anonymous to save myself from being ripped apart by any of you. I'm going to give my piece and that will be that.

As a member of the JMBB I realize it has it's ups and downs. For the most part it's a wonderful place to pass the time.

Onto my reason for being here.

To defend the vets: Some things posted on the BB by Harlot and VT were offensive to you and you have a right to state that you find said posts offensive. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You ladies are strong members of the JMBB and do many great things for it. Everyone knows it wouldn't be the same without you.

To defend the "bitches": I have been to the chats and KNOW that none of what they posted was altered in any way, shape and form. It is exactly word for word, what was said. For those that say that it is falsified, you are a liar and you know it.

No one at those chats in innocent in this. We all were there. We all played a part.

I feel very strongly that the way things were said (by both parties) were over the top. I believe things could have been dealt with MUCH more calmly. It's sad to see that it has had to come to the point that Harlot and VT had to get this defensive. I think they could have been a bit nicer but so could all those comments made by the women in the chats or on the BB.

I am going to remain on the fence and not choose one set of ladies over the other. I just hope this all ends soon and things can go back and be fun again without the negativity.

2/11/2006 04:39:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To anonymous who said:

Just to warn you the Vets will never cease until they get their revenge.

How do I know this? Because I'm long time poster at JMBB. I was once been attack, mildly though, I survived. LOL They will rest the matter for awhile, then boom! they will stab you at the back without warning. They've done this to many people who had join JMBB. Left the board bleeding. Very sad.

Just take care.

I much enjoy your blogs, by the way. I think I'll come back here more often.


2/11/2006 4:21 PM

This is Stacy Lynn again.


You may be a long time poster at the JMBB and this may be what you truly feel. However, I know the truth. NO ONE is plotting revenge. And to imply (or insinuate...whichever is right LOL) that you may be close enough to know what some of those involved are doing is just plain wrong. I talk to all those involved and everyone just wants it to be OVER. From other people you may not believe this, but I have always stepped up and told the truth.

If you want to discuss this further my email is

Thank you for your time,


2/11/2006 05:56:00 PM  

Blogger Tarbear said...

I agree with SL... this could have been handled a lot better and should be OVER. I think some apologies are in order and a lot of making up. There is no reason intelligent, classy, adult women like those involved shouldn't get along. Let's all try just a little bit harder.

2/11/2006 11:29:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

>>>I agree with SL... this could have been handled a lot better and should be OVER. I think some apologies are in order and a lot of making up. There is no reason intelligent, classy, adult women like those involved shouldn't get along. Let's all try just a little bit harder.

I want to say to Tara and SL and everyone else that has mentioned something similar to this that I tried to solve this two other ways; One with a person who probably has the most influence in the JMBB, who to my belief, perhaps does not want to get too involved, and with Bren.

Bren was aware that I had some information, she also knew that if this Harlot bashing/trashing continued, I would do something about it. I emailed her this, around three/four weeks ago:

“Bren, I’m pretty sure you don’t like harlot, and you’re entitled to that. But please, I will ask you to show me a post where Harlot (not chewie/ chewbaca, LaQueifer, LaWhore or any of those other awful names some JMBB members- especially the ones that are supposed to set an example have called her!) has been intentionally mean, vicious or cruel! Besides standing up for what she believes in a classy way. So because she doesn’t agree with some of you, or tries to state her opinion- especially when asked! (As you and I have done, respectfully, with each other) she deserves to be trashed and trampled on? She deserves to be humiliated by that Di person who incited half the women in the BB to ignore her, call her names and post those cruel and vicious question on her Hot seat day???? Now, notice how she ignored those, even though she felt so bad that she told me she was feeling physically sick, and didn’t want to continue because she didn’t know why she was being attacked that way!!! Don’t you think if she were the “attention seeking cunt” (words told to me by someone, who I have no written proof of) they have called her, she would have started a bloodbath? But she decided to turn the other cheek, more mature at 24 than a lot of the older women that have taken out a personal vendetta against her.

If I were someone else, I would send the copy of a LOT of things I have to JM and/or would post them in a public forum or the JMBB. But I will not, and you know why? Because, for some reason Harlot still loves that place, because a lot of you have been nice to her (and to me too). But I will be keeping an eye out, and will do my best to rein in my temper and keep my mouth shut if they keep attacking her (as I’ve done till now), but if another Niki, Di, or whoever, decides to be cruel in such a vicious way to her again, trust me when I tell you I will be there for her, and then we’ll see how brave they really are.

I tell you this as a peace offering, because I realize that you truly care about the JMBB, as I care about XXX and I know it is important to you to restore the camaraderie and good will that I believe reigned there once. But ask yourself, why these things have happened to your BB, ask yourself if Harlot is really to blame for any of this things, or if they are just using her as a scape goat (especially b/c most of these things have been happening since way before she was even a member there!), ask yourself if perhaps these problems do not lye inside the jealousy and ill will of members who claim to love that BB and it’s authors, and then do to Kam and Harlot what they’ve done.”

Then I found out a LOT more stuff. And the “only us Harlot’s haters” club continued, and I kept receiving copies of all of this. And I won’t mention the JMBB anymore, but we all know what has happened there.

Harlot’s Hot Seat was erased, and I have in print THREE different explanations/excuses, all from the same two people of who/why it was erased (one was emailed to me, the other posted in the BB and then there is another). So obviously they are lying, there can only be ONE real reason, or perhaps none of them are true. Maybe it was erased b/c I asked how I could contact JM, or maybe b/c they were scared that people would find out how those Harlot’s hot day Q’s got there in the first place. These are just my thoughts; I guess I will never know. I just want to ask the person (s) that have been implying that it was vulgar (between other things), to tell me how her Hot Seat was offensive and the things done to her, KAM, Kadisson and Sherry baby are not (and notice how a lot of those awful posts are still in the BB, apparently no one found THOSE offensive). B/c Harlot was joking in those questions/answers and DID NOT attack/offend anyone, if you didn’t like her answers then why didn’t you just skip them? But a LOT of people kept posting that they were having a blast with her HS, maybe that is what bothered you.

Also, look at the threads I have in this post, and tell me if those things are not far worse than some raunchy comments, made in a joking way. And those threads are still proudly there, not only that but “no apologies are to be expected to ANYONE that has been attacked/offended/hurt.”


!) I refused to post your comment or that of Kath Williams (no idea who this is). I have my reasons and I’ve already expressed them to you.
2) Thank you for all the hits you’ve given me today, by calling me a hypocrite you have made my site go up in the rankings (Hurrah! For the Book Bitches, BTW we’re up to 122,000 out of over 6,000,000 blogs!!!!!!!!).
3) Lackey? Those are your words, not mine, but if the shoe fits, perhaps you should be wearing it.

Funny thing, most of the people that have emailed me for the chat transcripts are people who were not only present there, but also participated in a lot of this. So, I think I don’t need to send the chat to those of you, b/c you probably remember exactly what you said and what your role in it was.

For the others, as soon as I have to work on format I will send it.

Yes, I agree this should stop too. We posted this in part, b/c we believe that the truth, and having this out in the open will help more than trying to pretend it's not there. Also it might even help the JMBB heal, and make people more conscious of their actions/words towards others.

I am sorry some innocent people had to be hurt by this. But I firmly believe we did what was right.

My last comment is this (to some of you who are involved in this): what strikes me is, that you are not ashamed of the way you have acted towards others or feel any remorse by all the hurt you've caused. What has bothered you has been my personal comments to you, which are in the same line/way that you have expressed yourselves towards others. It is your own words that have come back to haunt you, not what Harlot or I feel/think about you. You should perhaps give that some thought.

To all of you, thank you for being here. We love visitors :D Come back often :)


2/12/2006 05:08:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

VT, thank you for giving us the bigger picture behind all of this. It makes things clearer, especially when others keep insisting Harlot and you are liars and hypocrites.

Keep it up ladies!

2/12/2006 07:28:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me first state that I am way to conservative for you bitches, a George Bush supporter and find nothing sexy about Bill Clinton. BUT, I do agree with you 100% on this piece.

For the ladies who say this has been hurtful. People have been getting hurt on that BB for the past (all together now) eight years! It's about time someone stood up and faced the "troop" members.

If they could have their way it would be their "twenty" troop members on the board and that would be it. When you say this is your virtual living room and someone enters, introduces themselve and you don't want to greet them. That's like walking into your living room and you turning your back on me.
That's not being rude!

How many "troop" members welcome newbies (3), how many congratulate a lady on her BB marriage (3), how many play the game fair by posting the required post per month (5). Yet there being kind and honest. What a joke!

You want RESPECT, you give respect!

For those of us who are not willing to sell you our first born or let you "bitch slap" us for six months, we leave.

However, I will still buy Ms McNaught's books and continue to go to the board and read her post. Nothing will ever change on that BB until the people who are in control are out or JM starts posting on a regular basis and gets to know the newbies.

Thanks bitches for letting me rant.
And this bitch is NOT green with envy. Just sad that a group of ladies who love the same author as I do, think their better than someone else.


2/12/2006 06:48:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Must be nice to be able to screen all your comments to make sure you have a better support ratio. You say you welcome all opinions. Then why turn on the comment moderation? Discussion only works when you let it happen both ways.

This entire thing is a huge joke, and you're no better than those you mocked in your article. What a waste of time. Instead of lifting other women up you tear them down and perpetuate a sterotype. Thanks a lot.

2/12/2006 07:43:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...


It's ok babe, we wont hold your support for Bush agains you :D lol Actually, I think it's only bawdy and me the non-bush lovers. At least Harlot is neutral.

But in any case that doesn't matter b/c we have so many other things here. So if you love books and entertainment do stick around. And whenever you want to stop by and defend Bush, you're more than welcomed :D

BTW, tks for that info, there are a lot of things there I wasn't aware of! You've certainly done your HW :D lol

Last anon, welcome aboard :D

I owe so many replies. I don't know if I'll ever get through them lol I might have to quit my job to finish!

Right now working on three blogs, and a special one for vday is taking up most of my time. Also bf is starting to feel a wee bit neglected, might have to actually spend some time with him *my poor baby* lol

2/12/2006 08:08:00 PM  

Blogger Gina_Marie said...

Umm, a word, Ms. Bawdy Babe. My JMBB hubby is NOT like Mr. Burns! *trying hard to keep a stern face and not bust out laughing* He is the face of a younger Paul Newman (picture him from "The Verdict")! I'm going to try very hard to erase the image of Mr. Burns from my mind, because picturing him like that will make me sick tonight when I go to bed, lol!

Harlot, I do understand why you felt that you had to post what you did. I'm never one to frown upon someone expressing themselves when they feel that they have a cause (well, unless you're Hitler or someone like that, lol!). What makes me sad is that the JMBB's dirty laundry has been highlighted and the ladies who are being drawn there from here are seeing the negative aspects of the board. I hope that your really cool members/readers will still consider joining the JMBB and adding thier own uniqueness to the board despite what they see here. Members such as myself (and I know of several others) would really appreciate new members who will add their own special personalities and interesting thoughts. There are many who will welcome them with open arms, read what they have to say,respond, and encourage them to participate in the traditions that the "vets" and newer members have started. Regardless of some of the negativity being shed upon them, there are many interesting aspects that these "vets" have contributed to the board. I encourage anyone who reads this post to check them out. If anyone decides to give the JMBB a try, I can personally promise (and I know of others who feel the same) to respect and consider your thoughts and insights, and I will respond with courtesy and respect... and at times I will probably respond quite perversely. I can have a raunchy sense of humor at times and for this I apologize beforehand. *wicked grin*

The world, and the JMBB, is not black and white, but many shades of gray.I look forward to seeing if any of the book bitches readers will visit our JMBB home. :D

2/13/2006 12:04:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Umm, a word, Ms. Bawdy Babe from Mrs. GIna Marie Bancroft. My JMBB hubby is NOT like Mr. Burns! *trying hard to keep a stern face and not bust out laughing* He is the face of a younger Paul Newman (picture him from "The Verdict")! I'm going to try very hard to erase the image of Mr. Burns from my mind, because picturing him like that will make me sick tonight when I go to bed, lol!

Harlot, I do understand why you felt that you had to post what you did. I'm never one to frown upon someone expressing themselves when they feel that they have a cause (well, unless you're Hitler or someone like that, lol!). What makes me sad is that the JMBB's dirty laundry has been highlighted and the ladies who are being drawn there from here are seeing the negative aspects of the board. I hope that your really cool members/readers will still consider joining the JMBB and adding thier own uniqueness to the board despite what they see here. Members such as myself (and I know of several others) would really appreciate new members who will add their own special personalities and interesting thoughts. There are many who will welcome them with open arms, read what they have to say,respond, and encourage them to participate in the traditions that the "vets" and newer members have started. Regardless of some of the negativity being shed upon them, there are many interesting aspects that these "vets" have contributed to the board. I encourage anyone who reads this post to check them out. If anyone decides to give the JMBB a try, I can personally promise (and I know of others who feel the same) to respect and consider your thoughts and insights, and I will respond with courtesy and respect... and at times I will probably respond quite perversely. I can have a raunchy sense of humor at times and for this I apologize beforehand. *wicked grin*

The world, and the JMBB, is not black and white, but many shades of gray.I look forward to seeing if any of the book bitches readers will visit our JMBB home. :D

2/13/2006 12:06:00 AM  

Blogger McNice but McNaughty too said...

All I can say is: remember the golden rule, everyone. "Do unto others what you want others to do unto you."

Now, why are the people who were there in the chat, are acting as if they are the ones wronged? Who started it all in the first place?

If you don't want people to say unkind words to you too, then, for God's sake, don't say anything unkind to anyone! But since you did, now bear the consequences.

Those who were in the chat has given themselves the right to malign Harlot. So don't cry foul now just because Harlot and her friends has done their duty of defending themselves. Besides, Harlot and VT has the facts to prove their claim and their words. If you are adamant in your innocence, then show proof to everyone too, that Harlot and VT are the ones making everything up.

Tara (tarbear) and SL, I know you mean well. Now, Tara you are asking Harlot and VT to apologize. Again, let me remind you: "Do unto others what you want others to do unto you." If those who were in the chat will only apologize to Harlot, then maybe Harlot will apologize too?

I guess what irks some people the most is that they never expect the chat to be seen by anyone not there, and most especially, no one expected it to reach Harlot. And now, it was laid in the open for everyone to see. Some people can see the extent of what you will do to drive someone away from JMBB.

It has been going on for years, but it's only now that there is really proof.

2/13/2006 08:46:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad to see this out in the open.

I've been reading this board since the "Miss America" days...I remember many of these 'vet''s as newbies.

I remember how they ran off Paris Westmoreland.

I've seem em come and go..and seen many a vet keep her man even though she doesn't meet the posting requirements.

But boy oh boy is it nice to see someone called on their rude behavior to others.

I think JM loses more fans by the vets behavior than she gains.

I've seen the vets in action at the RWA conferences...and it's not always pretty.

2/13/2006 11:04:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do tell tell...

2/13/2006 12:14:00 PM  

Anonymous Jen said...

Hi Harlot and VT,

Damn! I missed your introductions and I missed Harlot's HS Day! Those threads are so long that I couldn't spare the time to read them. My apologies to you for not being able to know you better.

I've enjoyed reading your articles (esp the book covers, and well, this one too LOL) and I like your blogskin, although I must admit the first time I saw it I was a little put off by the colors. You girls look a little sickly up there. LOL. After revisting your blog a few more times I find that they're quite pretty. They kinda grow on me, know what I mean? :D

About the JMBB. I'm not sure if you gals were around when JM was around to address the problem of hostility on the board. That was when some of us voiced out our opinions, but I'm not sure if our voices were heard or drowned. In any case, I still stand by what I have stated then - that the JMBB has been like this for the last six/seven months that I've been there, and from what I have read from old posts, dated way back a few years, I foresee that the same thing is likely to happen again in future, unless everyone take things with a grain of salt, and be kind to everyone else.

There had been other cases as well in the past, but not included in your list. :P I think like what someone mentioned here, if every incident were to be brought to light for the last how-many-years-?, you may receive a warning from Blogger to start deleting some of your comments!

I have formed my own opinion of the board, and although I hope things will change for the better, everything remains to be seen. I have no wish to interfere in the politics of the board, unless when an opinion is being asked. :P

I have read something written by JM herself some months back, and I feel, IMHO, that it's apt to share here. Although the original subject is completely off topic in this whole incident, it's what JM has to say about women's behavior that struck a chord in me. This thread has over 200 responses to it, so to save you gals the trouble, I've extracted the following words from her comments. Highlighted in bold are reasons that I guess why women are the way we are.

"...From my perspective, we’ve won the battle for equality against our male opposition. Now there’s only one battle left to fight, but it’s the toughest one yet and unless we win it, we will never have true equality. Unfortunately, our opponents in this remaining battle are far more resilient, more clever, and therefore more lethal. They are all women. They are ourselves.

When we first inhabited this planet, we were l/2 the size of males. Our very survival, and the survival of our young, depended upon our ability to attract and secure a male protector. In that desperate quest, we necessarily regarded every other female as deadly competition. Since we had no physical prowess to display in order to outshine our competition, we had to settle for using every petty method available to us. We searched for faults in each other, we found them and pointed them out; we criticized and condemned.

Because we had no power over males, we felt powerless, and so we strived to exert what puny power we did have, over each other instead.

Maybe that behavior became part of our genetic memory, because today--driven by survival instincts that we no longer need—many of us continue to view every other member of our own sex as potential competition. For that reason, we feel compelled to nitpick, criticize, and condemn each other. We still feel powerless, and so we try to inflict our judgments and tastes on each other.

In the struggle for equality with men, we are our own worst enemy. No, I think we are our ONLY real remaining enemy.

In answer to this statement, "Maybe we’ll all know women have achieved equality when these fantasies cease to have any power over us at all," I would like to suggest that there will never be equality for women until we learn to support each other’s choices and, more importantly, our absolute right to make choices for ourselves. (If in doubt about how to do this, we have only to watch how males react and interact.)

We are an amazing sex, a fascinatingly diverse sex. In fact, we have only a few characteristics in common: Courage, loyalty, passion, and compassion. When we learn to celebrate our strengths and warmly tolerate our differences, we will achieve equality with men.

And then we will change the world."


Harlot and VT, I have no doubt in my mind that your presence on the JMBB will bring lots of color into the board, as demonstrated by your personalities through your writings. Please do consider returning to the JMBB once in awhile to share with us your wit and humour. Otherwise, I will respect your decision, and drop by to read your very interesting and provoking articles.

On an ending note, I also think that it is time for everyone to move on. Hey it's Valentine's Day! :)

2/13/2006 12:42:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Move on from what? Has anyone's behavior changed?

Newcomers are insulted for coming to the board when one of JM's new releases are out..well, duh? Where ELSE would they go to get all happy and enthusiastic?

Now you have board posters CHIDING JM HERSELF for offering a contest to giveaway a FREE ARC. A contest open to ALL JM readers. Gee. Now that's a mighty fine thing to say to the author whose board you post on!

JM doesn't have to have contests. Why would she do it again after all the razzing she took this last time?

Yet other NYT bestselling authors have monthly contest giveaways. With a bit of encouragement and support, that could have happened for the bb. Nope. JM was CHIDED for daring to hold a contest open to all. How off balance is that?
Think about it.

I don't think commenting about something this rude is out of line.

And nah, I'm not going to tell the RWA story...stories like that have a way of getting out without my help.

I don't want to be that which I abhor, eh?


2/13/2006 04:46:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said... vicious tease you! But you have the right attitude and I commend you for it! :)

2/13/2006 05:46:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harlot - I loved you on the JMBB and I love you even more now! Bless you for naming names!!!!

I pray to GOD ALMIGHTY that Ms. McNaught reads this and figures out that just because they are her fans that they can’t get away with torturing others!!! This small-minded gaggle of gits could not harm her career in any way.

In my humble opinion, I think she should kick those "Vetran-blood-sweat-and-tears-bullshit-brimming-over-the-lip-of-my-hip-boots-get-your-own-damn-website-Di-Westmorland-and-her-worshipping-bitches" off of the f'ing BOARD!!!

I've always found it funny that when some sweet new-comer to the board gets hurt by the rudeness of said "Veterans" all of the *same bitches* come out to defend themselves! IF THESE CHICKIES WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG TO BEGIN WITH, WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!!!!????!!!!


Sadistically, I have saved the threads that said “Veterans” offended me with - in hopes that someday, JM will ask for proof of the hostilities. BRING IT ON BABY!!!

I’d love to be around to witness the cleansing of the JMBB!

2/13/2006 09:06:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What can I say, this is just desserts :) You rock Bitches!

I used to be a long-time poster of the JMBB and I understand how Harlot feels since I was once also made to feel like sh!t by them. And the truth of the matter is, there was no reason for it but the "vets" just wanted to make themselves feel better by stepping all over other people because they are truly sad, pathetic individuals. I'm just generalizing here though because some of them were very nice to me and to everyone on the board.

Then there are the vet's groupies that just follow along and defend all of their rude posts and comments to other people, even though they are clearly being nasty and mean. I just do not understand how they can say that they are hurt by posts (such as this one) when they do exactly the same thing to other people.

I still lurk every so often (which is how I found your blog), because I love JM's books so I can't fault her for her group of psychotic fans and it is nice to see JM trying to connect with her readers. I have noticed how she doesn't defend the "vets" when there is controversy on the board though, which just makes me laugh my ass off because it just goes to show that they aren't *special* as they'd like to think. Also whenever I need a good laugh, I always check out the board because it's hilarious to read about what's going on with the crazy delusional DNs.

This comment has been much longer than I though it would be but I just couldn't stop writing lol All I really wanted to say is great job on your post! It has given me such a great laugh!

2/13/2006 10:27:00 PM  

Blogger Tarbear said...

Just to clarify, I was looking for apologies from H&VT for those who were hurt but didn't deserve it.(Farrah) They did. "Snaps" Ladies.

I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here, but I do think that H&VT are sorry they had to do this. It's evident in the fact that they tried to settel their diferences another way first, and their appologie to Farrah.

Any one else have anything they'd like to say sorry for?

Ps... if you book bitches don't think this will help, feel free to not "let it through"


2/13/2006 11:07:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harlot and Vicious Trollop~

I'm a poster on the JMBB (Moonlight Memories) and I just wanted to let you ladies know that I throughly looked forward to reading your posts and have missed you both since your departure.
I'm truly saddened by the events that have come to light and feel terrible that things like this were going on in a forum in JM's name.
Unfortunately, I don't partake in the chats as I'm studying for MCATs and other things and I was absolutely shocked and dismayed. Since I'm relatively new at the board (just since Jan) this information does make one wonder what things are being said while you can't defend yourself.
I just wanted to take this opportunity to say I'm sorry that this happened to you and I wish you ladies the best.


2/14/2006 01:25:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow- VT&H.... Bravo!
I have been a long-time lurker/occasional poster on the JMBB as long as all the vets on the board (since the days it was all text based emails, you know for eight years). I could have "claimed" my own husband way back then, but I have never had that much time to "dedicate" to a BB. I enjoy my real life, but always checked the BB out for anything new concerning JM because she is my last must-buy author. I have seen too much BS there and am glad that you have posted some of it for everyone to see. Because I don't post very often, I have never felt welcomed on the JMBB except by a very select few (of which JM is included). I always felt that anytime I posted something, it signaled the end of that post. And over the last six months, I have only been able to check out the BB a few times a month and every time, there has been a major blow-up since the last time I signed on. I have seen many bitchy posts that were just rude and ugly. I don't put up with people like that in the real world and I see no reason to put up with their shit online. I love JM but I am disappointed in what her board has turned in to.

I found out about your blog from the BB (before this) and have always found you very entertaining. Keep up the excellent work!

2/14/2006 01:48:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've read all of your ladies comments, neither am I a "vet" or a "newbie" at the JMBB but sure there is hurt on both sides.

VT and Harlot, how could the two of you truly not believe that this would not be posted on the JMBB. You use the blog address in your signatures and users go to it.

Someone obviously was going to link to it. I'm certainly not taking any sides in this.

However one person will be ashamed in ALL of this, and I am sure she will be grieved and deeply hurt by it all. That person is Judith McNaught herself. Shame no-one though about that when everyone started slagging each other off. All of this is so disrespectful to her, the one person that bought us all to the board in the first place. I certainly would not be proud of that.

2/14/2006 04:06:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Harlot and VT stopped posting on the JMBB weeks before they aired all of these in the open so their link in the board was no where in sight until someone else posted a thread regarding this.

This may not be my place but JM knows MORE than what some of us think. I doubt that she doesnt care. Of course not. She probably just didnt want to get involved. But the thing is, she should have.
H & VT obviously tried to settle things out another way first. But when people won't cease to attack you, wouldn't you fight back too?
Now that everything is in the open, everyone can see what the vets are really like and the lengths they'd go to to keep the board under their hold and influence. One can only hope that JM would finally act on this and straighten out these so called veterans who unfairly represent her in such a bad taste.

2/14/2006 05:20:00 AM  

Blogger McNice but McNaughty too said...

Tara, thanks for clarifying. And I am sorry if I snapped on you like that. And you know Tara, I admire your effort in trying to settle this. But I'm afraid you'd be wasting your energy. But really, I can tell that you are a sweet lady. If only some people in JMBB are like you, then all of these would not have happened.

Oh 11:04 really? Paris Westmoreland was driven off too? I've read some of her posts before and I can see that she's witty and funny.What have she done to them, I wonder?

Oh, and there are also happenings in RWA too? Wow. You know too much, huh? Please do share them with us.

2/14/2006 07:25:00 AM  

Anonymous PatriciaM said...

VT and Harlot,
I am sorry about everything that has happened to make ya'll leave the JMBB. I really enjoyed reading your posts. I know I didn't respond very much, but I tend to not write many responses.

I would also like to say that I am upset to find out that so much is going on at the JMBB that I didn't know about. I will continue posting at the BB because there are many women there whom I find very interesting, funny and kind. And I guess it is easy for me to stay because I have never actually been involved in any of this crap.

So again Harlot and VT, I will miss your posts at the JMBB, but I will stop by here every once in a while to say Hi.

Notice I posted with my name?

2/14/2006 01:28:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I visited the JMBB this morning and saw a thread posted by Sasha Dane about Harlot's disappearance on the board. Then minutes later the post disappeared. A little while later another was posted by Sherry Baby with the header of "Board censorship or Petty Ignorance" and included a copy of Sasha's original thread. So I came to this BLOG to find out what was going on.

I am by nature one who does not like confrontation and avoid it as much as possible. Because of that, some people may interpret me as an "ass kisser" but it isn't how I would define myself. I consider myself more of a peacemaker. Just because a person doesn't jump into the middle of a confrontation or side one way or the other doesn't have to mean they are "chickenshit members who are afraid of the 'vets'," or "ass-kissing members who want so badly to belong that they're willing to sell their first born child for it, not to mention their common sense and integrity." Have you ever considered that maybe they ARE keeping THEIR integrity by not being confrontational? By not taking sides?

I've read through this thread - and believe me that took some time. I have no doubt that lines have been overstepped. It is disappointing to "witness" the back stabbing and mean spiritedness evidenced in the chats that were posted here. In this day of technology everyone knows that there is no real privacy. Surely they were aware of that. And even so such chats took place. I am so glad that I didn't answer the "call to chat." Even if I had, I have to admit that I would have dropped out the moment the conversation turned to bashing. I'm disappointed seeing the names involved in the chat and the comments, but I do not plan to stop posting at the JMBB. There are quite a few very nice, decent and caring people there. They are what make the JMBB a good place. I let the rest roll off my shoulders and consider it unimportant.

Harlot and Vicious Trollop, I am sorry that all this has transpired. I know that you will be okay - you both are strong people. Your wit and sense of humor will be missed.

2/14/2006 02:03:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh really? Sasha Dane's post about "The reason why Harlot has decided to leave" was gone?

I have seen and read the said post earlier and the last person who posted in that thread was a certain Mas Anderson asking Sasha Dane to Email her... always makes one wonder. But then, why am i not surprised?

2/14/2006 02:30:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it just me or is anyone able to find Sherry Baby's post. It was just there a little while I can't find it anywhere. It doesn't sound like Sherry to delete her own posts.

2/14/2006 04:12:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

They deleted Sherry Baby's Post but left the links to Queenie's journal (in the thanks for JL post).

2/14/2006 04:28:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like I want to read her shit..she is just the mouth peice for the vets. They will discard her once they wring all of the life out of her or until she stands up to them. They will do exactly to her what they did to Mas when she defied the all powerful Di.

Harlot and are the best thing that has ever happened to that board.

I noticed that you included a link to the whole KAM rumble...didn't she come out and say she was guilty of talking trash about the vets too though? I wanted to ask but I didn't dare...does anyone know?


2/14/2006 08:58:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

I am not sure what you guys are talking about... lol

Sherry baby? She hasn't written any comments that I'm aware of. The only comments I've erased are those of Queesie and Kate williams.

I just checked for a Sasha Dane post, and apparently they are still spreading the love over there. lol *sigh*

As for Kam, I'm not sure what thread that is F. Do you have link?

2/14/2006 09:26:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Queesie!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!

Here was the post I was referring to...;f=5;t=020873;p=1#000000


2/14/2006 09:41:00 PM  

Blogger Tarbear said...

Mcnaughty but Mcnice~

It's all gravy, no harm done. I do post regularly on the JMBB and there are A LOT of nice ladies there. Happy Valentines day!

2/14/2006 11:42:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

They will discard her once they wring all of the life out of her or until she stands up to them. They will do exactly to her what they did to Mas when she defied the all powerful Di.

Huh? I wasn't aware that Mas had anything done to her. I imagine she'd be surprised, too! For a gossipmonger, I sure am out of the loop. (Still perplexed as to how I ended up on that list.)

And Sherry deletes the weirder of her posts all the time. All. The. Time. Is she the one you were referring to as a mouthpiece? Go tell that to the SKBB (Stephen King) and see what sort of response you get. I won't say anymore, because it won't sound nice.

And honestly - none of us has a capability of deleting someone else's posts.

I've wasted enough of my time with this. I think ya'll have too.

Have a nice life.

ShanVan (ok, I'm still perplexed by being called a vicious gossipmonger - you do know that I was working 85 hour work weeks when most of this was going on - I sure wish I'd had the time to gossipmong. )

2/15/2006 12:08:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ladies, this is Sasha Dane. Just finished meetings, emailing people, etc. About my post, let me be clear here as I was at the bb about why I put it up. This is a direct cut and paste job from an email I sent to someone on the matter:

"If you read the new thread I posted, you'll understand my position. I don't know who deleted it, but I doubt S&S sits around to look for 'subversive' threads to delete. Maybe S&S did it, but someone must have told them to do it.

It's funny actually. I found Harlot's blog initially, as I've mentioned, by accident. I was looking for something else, and found something I thought people should know about. Of course, I later realized the regulars at the bb already know about it. But I left the thread there to let some newcomers (like me) to be aware of what they say and whom to trust, watch their conduct and understand what is acceptable/not at the bb. It's also a reminder to us all not to be bitchy to each other again because that is what could happen. Otherwise, I was ready to let the matter rot somewhere in the pits of the bb. Guess what? Someone decided to take by force what I wrote, and that really pissed me off.

Had that someone asked me as you had asked, [Note: The recipient of this email had asked me to take my original post down very politely] I would have given it careful consideration before deciding what to do. As it was, when I read your note, I went to look for the thread - to do what I don't know because I was still mulling it over. And then imagine my surprise when I was informed by the system it was deleted. That got my back up. So if you know the someone who had it deleted, tell them to ask me and I just might, k."

As I said, I was leaning one way, now I am neutral until I receive further info from sources I trust (who is a neutral observer herself). But I just want to be clear, regardless of how I felt, I have never in my days there called anyone any uncomplementary names.

I would like to end this long comment with this thought:
Some people talk about me not having class when I posted something mild like this morning. Do they think it's classy to call someone vile and not even having the decency to apologize, if nothing else, for starting this name-calling business? *shakes head*

Btw, I just received confirmation that my original post was deleted by S&S at someone's request.

2/15/2006 01:15:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems that they know someone inside S&S. The deletion of the thread was quick, I noticed it because Sherry's post was gone in an hour.

The Vets have to hide incriminatings details about their vile characters. JMBB is well known to all publishing company and other authors. They will do everything to cover up their "sh*Ts"

Their actions are just pathetic and desparate.

2/15/2006 02:23:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Di has the power to delete threads. She even admitted it because she was the one who deleted Harlot's hot seat thread.

Look here:;f=5;t=020694#000000

2/15/2006 07:39:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Di does not have the power to delete threads! She is the one who started the hot seat post. Whomever starts a thread can delete it.

Stacy Lynn

2/15/2006 07:56:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I meant she can delete her own threads and posts, but no one else's.


2/15/2006 07:57:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

if the vets put as much energy into being NICE as they do into being RIGHT, this topic would be a non-issue.

I don't think jm board is going to change until the monitors at S&S start enforcing the rules that they have, which I have copied and pasted:

"You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is unlawful, knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, harassing, harmful, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, hateful or racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable. You agree that you will not: create a false identity for the purpose of misleading others, collect or store personal data about other users or upload files that create viruses. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or you have received all necessary consents to do so."

2/15/2006 11:35:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

S&S also states the following: "We at this BB also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or whatever information we know about you) in the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any message posted by you."

I encourage everyone to complain to S&S. The will do something about this if they get enough compliants. Certainly there is more than ample evidence to get these women thrown off the bb.

Really, enough already! Lets get our board back to what it should be.

2/15/2006 11:51:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just making this an even 100. Just wanted you ladies to know that you have one new fan out of this. I love your blog, it's very witty, I look forward to new entries! Keep up the good work

2/15/2006 01:04:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know, if you guys continue to stay away, the vets will have won. You leaving is exactly what they wanted all along.

2/16/2006 05:10:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

Last anon,

Writing reply for you, but late for school lol. Will post something later tonight.

In the mean time, stay and enjoy yourself :D

Gotta dash,

2/16/2006 07:03:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

are you saying that all the names of posters from the jmbb mentioned here are ones that we should beware of? not sure why some are mentioned other than to make a point that problems do exist, if that is the case, then do you realize that having their names here will either cause further problems for them or have them cast further out of the group than they already are despite the fact that they have a love of jm books. not sure why jezebel, cicilight, and kam were mentioned, please clarify

2/16/2006 09:58:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please come back to the JMBB! We need you. Your personality lights up the board. Don't let them win!

2/21/2006 02:15:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

>>>Please come back to the JMBB! We need you. Your personality lights up the board. Don't let them win!
I had such a great time on the JMBB. But the thing is, i honestly don't think it's a place i would return to.. Why? Because, sadly, i have more reasons to leave than to stay. That's it.

I had stopped answering comments regarding this article a long time ago because i thought Trollop said it best already (specifically her Feb 12 comment here) and also because, honestly, this is over for us.

Trollop and i are tired of explaining ourselves. When we posted this article, we didn't want anyone's approval or lack of it for that matter. Some people got it, some people didn't understand, some people blamed us, some people disagreed. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. This is one of the reasons we posted the article. I just hope that people understand that we just defended ourselves up front and not behind any one's back.

Whatever happens now at JMBB, it's not related to me nor it will affect me because i am not part of it anymore. If they're sad there now, i'm sorry for it; if they're rejoicing, then good for them. Of course the wonderful members i have met there i will miss (though i really hope they'll come visit me here lol). I thank them for being so welcoming and so nice to Trollop and me.

Good day, ladies, and we hope you'll come back often. :)

2/22/2006 04:10:00 PM  

Anonymous Sasha said...


You don't have to reply to this.

I think it's wonderful that after saying your piece, you have moved on with life (much more interesting anyway...LOL). You also know my stand in this and that I too have laid it to rest.

Just want to say that after all the ruckus, hell froze over! *grins* Hopefully the 'respect everyone mentality' is not a surface gloss but reaches to the core of everyone at the BB. And that, saying 'I'm sorry' will spill over to everyone who have been wronged. We shall see.

Keep up the good job here *hugs*

2/22/2006 10:33:00 PM