Tuesday, April 25, 2006

BBC: The Bronze Horseman (Day 2)

Hello, wonderful readers. *big grin*

Now that the pleasantries are out of the way, should I slap all of you who have read TBH but are not participating in the discussion around? I’m not very strong so that isn’t much of a threat LOL, but fear not, because I can yell with the best of them: “POST COMMENTS, YOU LAZY BITCHES!” *angelic smile*

Here is the next question (and I’ll be passing attendance!!!):
  • What do you think would have happened if Dasha had made it to Lazarevo? Could the situation from Leningrad have continued when Alexander arrived? Or would he have ended the charade out of frustration, preferring to lose Tatiana altogether than to have to continue pretending?
I found some interesting pictures in Paullina Simon’s site, and did a bit of research for others. I will be posting a couple with every question as we publish them every day this week. Enjoy...


Fifth Soviet Building


“The Bronze Horseman”


Red Army officers, circa 1942


Leningrad, winter of 1941


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33 comment(s):

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

When I saw that pic of the red army uniform I almost fell off my chair laughing!!! Is this what Alexander wore? Oh god those pants are so ridiculous.

Those men look like umpa lumpas. All round in the middle with little skinny legs LOL

4/25/2006 12:20:00 PM  

Anonymous Vixen said...

You are so bossy! Fine, I'm posting but I can't think clearly this week so it will be a bit of a ramble. I tried to comment last night but lost all brain ability and after a long winded comment I deleted it all.
Okay, here goes.
If Dasha had made it to Lazarevo I don't think Alexander would have been able to continue the charade. I also dont' think it would have been necessary to continue the charade b/c Tatiana wouldn't have been able to hide her excitement at seeing him again and would've give herself up (as would Alexander). Dasha was already seeing signs of their true feelings so a reunion, even if they tried to hide their excitement, would have shown their true feelings. At least that's what I like to think.

I know this was in Part I but I'm LASY BITCH and will post it here. Do we know for sure if Dasha and Alexander were having sex the whole time they were seeing eachother after he met Tatiana?
I'm with Trollop I have a hard time forgiving that.
But I loved Alexander, I just can't help it (aside from angry, asshole outbursts and other annoying things, of course)

See, rambling.

4/25/2006 12:23:00 PM  

Blogger kinky courtesan said...

Those uniforms = hot.... haha.... If Dasha would have made it to L-town I WOULD BE SO PISSED! She would definetly see that they had the hots for eachother and would have either died of heartbrake (drama queen), never spoken to them ever again, or left and never be heard from again. Alright so something else may have happened but I don't like Dasha and I wanted her to drop outa the book. I think Alexander would have told her if she didn't already know when he arrived. He couldn't keep away from Tatiana. and in regards to the last post about my feelings for him... i just remember something to add.... I'd do him... haha

4/25/2006 01:00:00 PM  

Blogger kinky courtesan said...

AND another thing.... when she saw dead people on the streets of Leningrad, why didn't she search the bodies for ration cards? I mean that would have been the smart thing to do right? or maybe i'm just evil and that would be really wrong, but i mean come on its not like they are going to use them!

4/25/2006 01:01:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

Okay, Trollop asked me to post this. This is one of our conversation when she's just starting to read TBH.


HARLOT: hey babe
TROLLOP: he was sleeping with her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TROLLOP: :@
HARLOT: huh?
HARLOT: who?
TROLLOP: that pig from the bronze horseman
TROLLOP: he was sleeping with dasha
TROLLOP: :@
HARLOT: lol good youre reading
TROLLOP: he was sleeping with sister
TROLLOP: this is too much
HARLOT: what do you want me to do?
TROLLOP: how can you like this guy?
TROLLOP: and to think I felt sorry for him for being sadled with such a dumb fuck
TROLLOP: dunno who is worse in this book
TROLLOP: that dasha
TROLLOP: or the parents wishing tatiana had died instead of pasha
TROLLOP: oh well, at least it's well written and entertaining and good historical fiction
HARLOT: hes dating dasha. if he wants to sleep with her he can. plus dashas a horny bitch and tatiana lets him anyway
TROLLOP: he's pursuing his sister
TROLLOP: would it be ok if your bf were doing it that with your sister?
TROLLOP: sleeping with you and picking her up at work every day and chatting her up?
TROLLOP: and kissing her
HARLOT: no. i'm not tatiana
TROLLOP: I mean, I love alexander's personality and he has a very strong essense as a character
TROLLOP: he's practically carrying the whole book
TROLLOP: I just can't believe he's doing that
HARLOT: yes i told you thats the thing that bothered me about alexander

4/25/2006 04:04:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

TROLLOP: you promised
TROLLOP: and I'm already reading tbh
TROLLOP: and shonra is having sex with the sis, so you have to admit I've made big sacrifice :@
HARLOT: can i do it tomorrow babe? =S too lazy
HARLOT: i mean later this afternoon
HARLOT: =D
HARLOT: SHU-RA
TROLLOP: I know :P just teasing you
TROLLOP: tanechka, tatiana, tania, tatia, tanyusha, tasha, tatishka
TROLLOP: and whatever else they call her, fucking confusing lol
HARLOT: i know lol
TROLLOP: I think those people have too much time in their hands
TROLLOP: at least alexander is only that and shiri
TROLLOP: :P
HARLOT: rolleye
HARLOT: lol. i lvoe alexander. some people complain about him a lot and said he doestn deserves tatiana
HARLOT: please..
HARLOT: tatiana wouldnt have survived without him
TROLLOP: doesn't deserve tatiana? I wouldn't wish her on my worst enemy lol she doesn't deserve him, though he is quite the pig boinking dasha on the side

4/25/2006 04:11:00 PM  

Anonymous Vixen said...

Maybe we should talk to PS about this whole Dasha/Alexander sex stuff. Maybe she can clarify WHY and IF they actually had sex after he met Tatiana.

4/25/2006 04:14:00 PM  

Blogger Marg said...

Vixen, you need to read the second book to find the answer to that question.

4/25/2006 05:21:00 PM  

Blogger Marg said...

Also on PS's site there are some pictures of exactly what the Metanov's apartment would look like. I thought I had imagined small, but it was nowhere near small enough!

There is another site where you can see some different images as well. Some are the same, but there are some others -

http://ivmoores.com/tbh/tbh_images.htm

Back later to answer questions!

4/25/2006 05:25:00 PM  

Blogger CoffeeKate said...

Tatiana is the one who was making Alexander stay with Dasha! He didn't want to...he was doing it because Tatia said so. Tatiana kept evolving little by little throughout the book, and I think that if Dasha had made it, Tatia would have finally realized that there were more important things than protecting selfish Dasha, who didn't give a hoot about Tatia's feelings...EVER!

I love this book! Thanks for the recommendation!

4/25/2006 06:18:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

>>>Tatiana is the one who was making Alexander stay with Dasha! He didn't want to...he was doing it because Tatia said so.

You see, that to me makes no sense at all. So, had Tania asked Alexander to fuck Pasha in order to stay close to her would he have done it?

Alexander didnt do it for Tania, he did it for himself!!!

And if my bf asked me to fuck/date his brother, b/c he loves me and that's the only way I can be near him I'd tell him to take the road!!! Who, but Hitler, deserves to be treated like that? Having the man you love boinking your sister in your own bed, while you're send on errands or whatever!!!

IMO there is no excuse for what Alexander did, or for tatiana asking for it, let alone putting up with it!

4/25/2006 06:42:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

Oh lol forgot today's question.

I think Dasha and Tania have very especific roles in this book. They are what they are and that's where it ends. They would have probably kept the charade on. I think it would've been Alexander the one to set things straight. And Tania would have gone with him even if she'd hurt Dasha.

4/25/2006 06:53:00 PM  

Blogger CoffeeKate said...

vicious trollop! fucking pasha? I think the situation is a little different! Had Pasha fallen in love with Alexander before Alexander had met Tatiana and realized he liked girls better, then the situation would be the same...but since it's not...it's not. Anyway, whose side are you on? Tatia because Alexander was with Dasha and you think he was being a pig? Or Alexander, because you don't like that Tatia asked him to stay with Dasha? Or are you just against both of them?

4/25/2006 07:04:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

I agree with Trollop.

When they arrived at Lazarevo, it was clearly the end of all their pretending. When they saw each other, Alexander didn't even thought of Dasha, who was already dead, but he didn't know that and yet, all he could do was hug Tatia for so long, so happy to see her, even stupid people will realize they were lovers. And even if Dasha made it to Lazarevo, she and Alexander can't jsut continue their relationship because a) Dasha already knew Alexander loved Tatia while they were crossing Lagoda and b) at this point, like Trollop said, Alexander wouldn't be able to supress his feeligns for Tatia anymore.

4/25/2006 07:14:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

I mean Ladoga!

Sorry. LOL

4/25/2006 07:16:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

>>>Anyway, whose side are you on? Tatia because Alexander was with Dasha and you think he was being a pig? Or Alexander, because you don't like that Tatia asked him to stay with Dasha? Or are you just against both of them?

LOL Hi Kate.

It's both their fault. It's stupid to ask Alexnader to stay with Dasha when from the beginning he clearly stated to Tatia taht he prefers her. Tania did a stupid thing and they both suffered. It's wrong of Alenxader to sleep with Dasha but why would i held this agaisnt him when it was clearly okay for Tania? Still no excuse for Alenxader to be with Dasha. LOL

4/25/2006 07:22:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

CoffeeKate(you just made me hungry btw!!! lol),

What I meant about Pasha is, that I find it hard to believe that anyone would feel forced to have sex/relationship with someone they didn't like or love just to please the person they do love. B/c to me that's a a little -err who am I kidding lol- A LOT sick.

1) would you stay with a man you asked this of if he actually did it? I could not live with a person that loves himself so little that he would sell his body/feelings that way even for me; especially for me. It would cheapean what I am and what I believe in. (and btw Tania never asked him to stay with Dasha and sleep with her. She asked him not to hurt her. Surely he was smart enough to find a way of doing that keeping his pants on!)

2) would you sleep with the brother of the man you love, and have an ongoing relationship with him b/c he asked you to? To me at least, the answer is a very loud NO FREAKING WAY!

Tania was a stupid idiot for putting up with it and Alexander was a pig for doing it lol I'm very fair minded you know lol I hated them both for this in equal measures :P

4/25/2006 07:31:00 PM  

Blogger Brady said...

Wow totally thought this was a porn site...my bad!

well i guess while i'm here.....hello bitches!!!

4/25/2006 09:50:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

Hullo Brady,

No, we are not a porn site.. unfortunately. LOL We are just healthy females who know how to appreciate the beauty of male species. ;)

We do have an ocassional eye-candy which many blogs are now copying LOL. Still, have to say, we have the best ones. ;) LOL

Anyway, welcome, and i hope you'll visit often. :)

4/25/2006 09:57:00 PM  

Anonymous Sasha said...

*****SPOILERS*****

Ladies,

I think most of us agree that Alexander’s pretense of being enamored with Dasha was Tatia’s fault for asking him to live that lie. Most of us also agree that he was a bastard for sleeping with Dasha, despite the ‘permission’ Tatia gave by her silence on the matter. As VT put it in her lovely way, "If a guy dare treat me that way, he’d be out the door so fast (with some pointy kitchen utensil all the way up his ass)" LOL.

Anyway, I just want to give another angle to this discussion. Maybe PS did the Alexander-sleeping-with-Dasha situation to show us Tatia’s youth and immaturity at that stage in the book. From the beginning, as the story went along, you could sense the strength unfurling within Tatia. Yet for all that, she was still, very much a child in so many ways, particularly when it came to the ‘birds and the bees’. Compare her reaction to Alexander making out with Dasha here, and her reaction in The Summer Garden when Alexander got into a ‘thing’ with another woman. For those who have read TSG, I think you understand what I mean.

By TSG, Tatia was her own woman. When she forgave Alexander for his actions, it was because she loved him enough to help him become a better person, not because she was afraid to walk out on him. It was this strength that dictated her reaction at that point; a vastly different (and satisfying) reaction compared to the way she meekly accepted the Alexander-Dasha situation.

4/25/2006 10:16:00 PM  

Blogger CoffeeKate said...

Trollop-

good point. I think I am starting to agree with you, but I'm still not sure whether that makes them:

a) really strong characters for being able to withstand such a thing

b) really weak characters who can't actually stand up for what they want when they want

c) completely implausible

Perhaps you think that latter?

4/25/2006 11:36:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

I actually think they act as a good number of people would act. At least the "Alexander cheating and her putting up with it" part.

What is hard for me to believe is that he is doing it for her. B/c wouldn't it be more of a sacrifice for him to stay away from her, than to have some fun in bed with Dasha, and then go to Tania and tell her it is her that he loves? Or that she actually wanted him to do that int he first place?

I will be honest, I think Tania has a lot of self-importance/love issues. I believe she'd rather be close to him even if he were with Dasha than him to be away. Yes, it might make her immature, but I think it's more about the way she believes herself unworthy of any sort of real love that is the bigger issue.

They were both equally wrong IMO. There is no excuse for this behavior from either of them.

I have to say this, I really liked Alexander when he first got to Lazarevo but in the end there, I saw things about him that I really disliked. I believe he loves Tania very much, and he would do anything for her BUT somethings about his character make me want to run the other way.

4/26/2006 12:01:00 AM  

Blogger Marg said...

But if he stayed away from Dasha he would have no pretext for spending time with the family as a whole (and with Tania as a result of that). He would have had no reason to visit with the Metanovs, to assist with additional food and other help. By keeping up the pretense with Dasha, he maintained the only contact he could with Tatiana.

Would I accept that behaviour from my family if I had a bloke? No, probably not. Would I put those kind of restrictions on him in the first place. I certainly hope not!

4/26/2006 02:22:00 AM  

Blogger Marg said...

Whoops...meant to write would I accept that from my bloke if I had one. I do have a family!!!

4/26/2006 05:28:00 AM  

Blogger rebelheart said...

This is the question I thought most hard to answer.
I think that the whole thing would have come to an end if Dasha would have made it to Lazarevo.She understood how Tania and Alexander's feelings were in the truck so surely she would have talked about it once come to Lazarevo,and dit wouldn't have helped Tatiana keeping denying it.
So when Alexander had have come there too maybe Dasha herself wouldn't have wanted to marry him anymore.
By that time the situation was at such at point that it would have been impossible to hide their feelings,they were too strong.Imagine if Alexander,arriving in Lazarevo, had seen Tatiana first and hugged her like he did in TBH, but with Dasha being alive and like watching them from far or hidden somewhere.At least in that moment she would have understood!

4/26/2006 05:36:00 AM  

Anonymous Vixen said...

Okay, hypothetically. If Dasha had made it to Lazarevo do you (anyone reading this) think Dasha would've given up so easy? Or do you think she would've just tried to pretend she didn't notice anything and thrown herself at Alexander more than ever?

I kind of think she only told Tatiana she could see they had feelings for eachother on the truck b/c she knew she wasn't going to make it.

Just curious what everyone thinks. (I hope it's okay that I added a question)

4/26/2006 08:28:00 AM  

Anonymous Jo said...

If Dasha had made it to Lazarevo, Alexander would really have been in a pickle especially when he has written such a poetic letter declaring his love for her and that nothing would stop him from coming to marry her.

How would he have handled it? Well, that's the number one question. For sure if Dasha had not died, she would have written Alexander so he would know. I'm thinking he probably would have married her because the charade had gone on too far to end.

Jo

4/26/2006 04:26:00 PM  

Blogger Marg said...

I think that if Dasha had survived and made it to Lazarevo, Alexander would have already known because there would have been letters etc. I like to think that Alexander would have managed to make it clear to everyone that he wanted to be with Tania. Of course, I would be interested to know if she would have insisted on secrecy in the same way as she had previously.

4/26/2006 05:14:00 PM  

Anonymous A Little Nony Mouse said...

Hi, I'm not much of a poster around here, but I have read TBH (and sequals), at least 10 times. (By the way, I love the site, I read it constantly - keep up the good work!)

But I have to answer this question with Alexander's own words... he tells Tatiana in Lazarevo when she asks if he would have married Dasha that HIS TRUTH would have had to come out. In other words, he wouldn't have continued the charade, even if it meant loosing Tatiana, he would never have married her sister.

Oh yeah... and **Spoiler** if you read the second book - especially the original looooooong version -you learn pretty quickly that Alexander stops having sex with Dasha around the same time as Tatiana's visit to see him at St. Issacs. After Luga he knows he loves Tatiana and he stops being with anyone else, even Dasha (which Dasha eludes to in TBH by saying they hadn't been together since August).

4/26/2006 05:25:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

Nony Mouse, 10 times? Oh wow. Even i haven't read it that much. :P

Welcome and thanks for liking our blog. :D Hope you post often!

4/26/2006 05:41:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting but I dont think its wise for a guy to get involvded with 2 sisters. Even if he feels its proven love because actually it just confused the entire situation. He should stand his ground and abide by his own judgement. Who knows? Maybe Dasha would have spoke of her feelings but she was told he had love for her sister which brings me back to my point it confuses everything. By the way, who was pasha? Now Im confused.

4/26/2006 11:26:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting but I dont think its wise for a guy to get involvded with 2 sisters. Even if he feels its proven love because actually it just confused the entire situation. He should stand his ground and abide by his own judgement. Who knows? Maybe Dasha would have spoke of her feelings but she was told he had love for her sister which brings me back to my point it confuses everything. By the way, who was pasha? Now Im confused.

4/26/2006 11:26:00 PM  

Blogger Marg said...

Pasha is Tatiana's twin brother.

4/27/2006 07:14:00 AM