Saturday, January 5, 2008

On incest and idiots

Karen Scott has a post on e-published authors starting their careers in the erotic stories/poetry site Literotica. This all started when Mrs. Giggles posted about this in her blog and Phaze authors went cuckoo over the post.

Now, none of this shocks or bothers me. I read Literotica; you can actually find some good romance stories and novellas there once in a while, but you really have to look because most of it is pure rubbish LOL. Tart linked this and a couple other erotic stories sites last year in FABB and I have to say I’ve enjoyed Literotica the most by far. I’ve even printed and read some of these to the BF which yawns himself to sleep while I get all fidgety and turned on (contrary to what happens with porn movies which bore me to death).

Anywho, she has quotes from an interaction that’s going on at the Literotica BB (I think, because I can’t be bothered to click on the link). I’ll post them with Karen’s remarks and then tell you what I think:

“I was wondering if It reading and writing about underage incest fantays..especially about younger as disgusting as I sometimes feel it is. I do NOT condone Kiddy porn NOR sexual abuse in any way of minors, but it is still a fantasy of mine....but not that I wan’t to be WITH the girl, but that I wan’t to BE the would writing fantays like that make me a bad person?”

He/she doesn’t condone kiddie porn, but fantasizes about having underage sex with a family member? Ok then.

This answer, from one of the other members, made me want to go and take a bath:

“It is hard for me to believe that thinking is a crime, I certainly hope you WILL explore these fantasies for us in print. I would love to have a womans perspective on what it would be like to have sex at say 15 with your father..... I suspect the emotions and feelings would be far more erotic than anything I can imagine. Sex for the first time for a little girl has to be painful, but emotionally rewarding at the same time. I hope you will explore this! I know I would love to read it.”

Emotionally rewarding? Yeah, whatever. That dude is a pedo waiting to happen, if it hasn’t already.

Anyway, Selena Kitten, a current Phaze author thinks there’s no harm in it, because after all, it’s just a fantasy. She writes:

“But the FANTASY of such a thing - NOT the reality, the FANTASY... is a turn on for some. Of both genders. As DCL mentioned (god this is an OLD thread, isn’t it??) thinking is not a crime.

Unless I slipped into Big Brother territory when I wasn’t looking...

I know what I’m going to say might be taken completely the wrong way, because that’s the way things go in Blog Land, but I agree with Selena: fantasy is a turn on and not just for incest but for a lot of things; you just have to look at the categories in Literotica to see the broad spectrum of stuff people are into reading. And though I find the thought of incest sickening, who am I to say that those that fantasize about it are pedophiles or have actually engaged in what they read or write? I would much rather people write about it and get off on reading it than actually going ahead and doing it.

I think writing about fantasies is like writing an angry letter to someone you are mad/angry at. When you finish putting everything you feel down on paper, the anger is either gone or abetted. So if this is what people need to keep their hands off their kids/parents, then I say go ahead and write about it and read about it, because it’s a hell of a lot healthier than actually doing it.

And don’t tell me if you are inclined to read or write about it means you are engaging in it or will in the future because that’s bullshit. I enjoy Quentin Tarantino movies and I’ve never been inclined, for one second, to do ANYTHING that appears in these films. I also enjoy reading about a ton of stuff that I would never, in a million years, be interested in doing.

I dare anyone here to say they don’t have a fetish. We all do. And what may seem sick to others might be precisely what turns you on, and that’s nothing but your personal business. I think it’s very closed-minded and ignorant to believe that healthy sexual parameters are defined by your personal fetishes and that everyone else that has fantasies different to yours is a sick pervert.

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9 comment(s):

Anonymous Carrie said...

I completely agree that fantasies are just that: a FANTASY. There are several things that are really hot in my mind that I wouldn't want to go through with in real life.

I can't tell you how much this topic irritates me. I took a Human Sexuality course in undergrad, and it really opened my eyes to the broad spectrum of what human sexuality is. A lot of it may make me uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean it's horrible and wrong.

The biggest concept for me was that we are sexual beings from the moment we are born to the moment we die. This doesn't mean it's normal for 5 year olds to be having sex, but there are age-appropriate behaviors, like being curious about bodies of the opposite sex because it is different from your own.

Americans are SO uptight about sex it's just bizarre. How do you explain a society where people have to hide who they really are because it interferes with someone else's idea of a sexual norm?

1/05/2008 03:20:00 PM  

Blogger December/Stacia said...


I think, and I said this on the comments in Karen's post too, that the problem here is in our own perceptions of that fantasy.

I agree, we all have some odd thoughts that turn us on. I've come up with some seriously disturbed shit in my head before and found it exciting.

But I KNOW it's sick shit. I know there's no way I would ever actually want to do any of it, that it woud be painful or harmful to myself and others or just plain extremely difficult to clean up after or whatever, and I don't fool myself that it would be anything but degrading, disgusting, criminal, whichever of the above or pick a new adjective, to perform in real life.

Whereas in the quote to which I and many others took umbrage, the speaker seems to be saying he genuinely believes a father raping his own daughter must be an incredibly erotic experience for the girl. I have a problem with that.

No, thoughts aren't criminal (although you and I will have to disagree on whether or not pedophiles consume a lot of child pornography and pedophile-themed stories before actually committing their crimes). And there really is nothing wrong with having whatever thoughts or fantasies you want (in that first example, it seems clear to me that the poster's desire to be a little girl being "introduced" to the world of sexuality by an older, experienced man who cares for her has much to do with a disappointing lack of connection/satisfaction in her current sex life and very little to do with pedophilia). But seriously, if you're turned on by the thought of necrophilia, for example, you KNOW that's not right. It might get you off, and that's fine, but the minute you lose that sense of "hot as a fantasy but I know it's wrong" and start thinking maybe it is truly a beautiful thing, maybe it is an okay thing to do, is the minute you start hanging around in alleys behind funeral parlors in the middle of the night.


1/05/2008 03:28:00 PM  

Anonymous Carmen said...

My only thought about other peoples fantasies is: If it doesn't hurt me or others and its all consensual, with no minors involved, than I don't care. The only time I start to freak out or not like something about someone else fantasy is when it involves kids. Besides that do what you want.

1/05/2008 05:38:00 PM  

Blogger Alessia Brio said...

*waves* Just popped over to see why StatCounter showed so many click-thrus from your blog.

peace & passion,

~ Alessia

1/05/2008 06:08:00 PM  

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1/05/2008 06:27:00 PM  

Blogger Isabella said...

"I think it's very closed-minded and ignorant to believe that healthy sexual parameters are defined by your personal fetishes and that everyone else that has fantasies different to yours is a sick pervert."

I'm not following what's been happening on the other blogs but amen to that quote above. Well said Trollop.

Your own body, your own mind, your own fantasies. Why do some people think that what they believe is the one true way and everyone else is "wrong"?

1/05/2008 06:38:00 PM  

Blogger Shoshana said...

It's your own fantasy, and if it's not hurting anyone (say like Ted Bundy probaby gets off dismembering those victims) why should people think it's weird.

1/05/2008 11:21:00 PM  

Blogger Jolie said...

Most people fantasize. Almost all have fantasies. They are a normal part of human sexuality. I think what's important is that people should remember that it is just that - a fantasy, NOT reality. Hence, it's safe, and very enjoyable I should add.

I think everyone should indulge on fantasizing. Since it's in your head, you can have it as outrageous and as extreme as you wish. ;)

1/06/2008 03:12:00 AM  

Anonymous karamia said...

Carmen- My only thought about other peoples fantasies is: If it doesn't hurt me or others and its all consensual, with no minors involved, than I don't care.

Amen! Everyone fantasizes about things they would most likely never do in reality. It's important to be comfortable enough with yourself to embrace and enjoy it. Your mind is yours alone. As long as you're not hurting anyone, who cares what you're into.

1/07/2008 01:37:00 AM