Wednesday, October 11, 2006

BBC: "Hunter Legends" series

Hullo, gorgeous readers. How many of SK’s “Hunter Legends” books have you already finished? As I mentioned when we announced BBC, starting this week until November, we’re going to have an open discussion about them. So, if you have any questions, thoughts, theories about Ash, Artemis, and/or any of the yummy Dark-Hunters *g* that you want to share, join us here for an ongoing discussion.

P.S. We put a link of this post in the sidebar (under BBC section) so you guys can easily access it anytime you want. *wink*

**Editing to add: Since we’re all in varying degrees of reading different DH books, to avoid reading spoilers and confusion, please preface your comments with the title of the specific book you’re posting about (thanks Hotmama, great idea! :D).


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Blogger Jolie said...

Ok, it was mentioned in Talon's book that Julian is an oracle? Talon said, "Great, and ex-darkhunter and an Oracle." When did that happen?

10/11/2006 01:29:00 PM  

Anonymous 2nd Amdt said...

Now I know why I didn't read more of these books - I read Fantasy Lover and it was okay, but didn't rate as a keeper so I stopped right there. I picked up Night Pleasures Monday and should finish it tonight.

I thought the book did/has done a good job of explaining dark-hunters, daimons and appollites, though a some what poor job of doing the same with the gods. I thought Julian's story was somewhat glossed over, but you can still read Kyrian's story without having to read the earlier books.

This is the first BBC where the book(s) interested me, so I'm not sure what other thoughts/comments are expected when discussing the books.

I do have to question the passing comment by Kyrian that there are thousands of dark-hunters, but sometimes he is just wandering around looking for daimons. Why do they need so many dark-hunters if there aren't that many daimons?

And I like the cover of the UK edition better.

10/11/2006 03:23:00 PM  

Blogger Vanessa said...

2nd Amdt, I like the UK covers too. And they match. lol

I just finished Night Pleasures and Night Embrace. I really like Kyrian. At first I thought, a vampire in leather? Definitely not! lol But as I read on, I fell in love with Kyrian. OMG and the sex, my gosh, very hot! :P Nick is funny with his "Hey you got laid, finally" lol. I hate Valerius by the way!

Then Talon. Not a big fan of this guy, gotta say. But love his tattoo. Not a fan of Sunshine either but I like that she's casual about sex with Talon. Now I'm reading Dance with the Devil and loving Zarek!

I have a question. I'm confused about what or who Simi is. Is she Ash's daughter? Did Ash slept with a dragon then?

10/11/2006 03:42:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

Ok, so I read fantasy Lover (ok), The Beginning (ok), Dragonswan (complete garbage) Night Pleasures (good), Night Embrace (good, though the name Sunshine sucks ass) and Phantom Lover (more garbage and the apostrophe names sucked).

So far, I'm enjoying the BBC selection. I'm starting Dance With The Devil right now and I'm excited to hear Zarek's story. I think he will be my fave DH.

10/11/2006 04:16:00 PM  

Blogger Polly King said...

I haven't start yet! Oh man, I have to get the books....

10/11/2006 04:51:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

I have the first 2 books and started to read THE BEGINNING at your link. No, that's wrong. I bought NIGHT PLEASURES and SINS OF THE NIGHT that has THE BEGINNING in the back. I did start it on the link you have here.
However, I feel like I'm already struggling to keep track of everything :( These are not the kind of stories I like to read, I don't think. But I'm willing to keep at it {only for the hot sex scenes, they better not disappoint~!} But some of the comments here are not encouraging, lol.
I think I'm also pms-ing, which doesn't help either :P

10/11/2006 07:47:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

I have to finish my Jillian Hunter first. Should I start with THE BEGINNING?

10/11/2006 08:01:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

Hotmama,

It isn't that bad. The names come to you after a while but each book only really focuses on a couple characters, but you might see cameos from past or future people.

I won't lie, Dragonswan and Phantom Lover sucked, but I think that is only because both were just little stories, like 80 pages, and you can't get a characters personality or feel the struggle of the problem that needs to be overcome because there is just not enough pages to do so, so basically it's boy meets girl, they screw, realize they love each other, fight the bad guy and live happily ever after... in a 20 second span! It's like watching a movie on fast forward.

You could get away with reading The Beginning, Night Pleasures, Night Embrace, Dance With The Devil and so on. I'm going to guess "Winter Born" will suck too since it is another short story but, I haven't gotten that far yet so we'll see.

Fantasy Lover isn't that bad but so far the main characters of that book don't lead a major part of the books that come after it, but they do make a cameo.

Dragonswan will explain about the animal part of the series as opposed to the vampire part. SKIP PHANTOM LOVER! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SKIP IT!

10/11/2006 10:39:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

GWB, you've set me up with a much better attitude. I want to approach these stories with an open mind and I was feeling biased against them and even intimidated, lol.

I'm really not thrilled with this JH so far either *frowning* Maybe it'll get better.

10/11/2006 11:46:00 PM  

Anonymous mpmcc said...

I have read all books in this series and I have some advice. You should read them in order (see BBC home page). The development of certain characters like Ash and Simi is gradual thoughout the books and it could get very confusing is they are not read in order.

Although the short stories are not great in themselves you can pick up hints to the overall development of the main story which runs throughout all the books which is Ash's story. Although each book has its own individual storyline there is also an overall storyline which is why I think so many people are confused. I promise if you read the books in sequence you pay as much if not more attention to the overall storyline as to the individual one.

I love these books and am totally caught up in the world SK is building over the course of her books. I can't wait for the next one.

10/12/2006 03:21:00 AM  

Blogger Vixen said...

I think I'm going to give these a shot but unfortunately I couldn't get them all from the library. Will I be totally lost if I don't read them all?

10/12/2006 11:26:00 AM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

Vix,

Read the ones you have in order. Not the best thing to do, but I'm sure it'll be ok ;)

Smooches

10/12/2006 12:07:00 PM  

Blogger Vixen said...

Thanks Trollop, I'm gonna start tonight. Hope these get me out of my reading slump!

10/12/2006 02:26:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

2nd Amdt,
There are many Daimons. I guess they don't appear much in the first few books. ;) I think you'll start to see more of them in Wulf's book, KISS OF THE NIGHT.


Vanessa,
Simi was barely a hatchling (around 300 years old LOL) when she was given to Ash (by Apollymi, The Destroyer) on his 21st birthday. She's supposed to be his demon guardian. :P He just calls her his daughter out of love not blood.

10/12/2006 02:47:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

RE: He just calls her his daughter out of love not blood.

And gad does he spoil her!!! LOL Wish Ash would spoil me too ;)

10/12/2006 05:37:00 PM  

Blogger Shoshana said...

Vixen, I didn't see this post of yours about not having the DH series. I think my MIL is done with it...e-mail me about it, I will get it back from her and loan you what you don't have..so you wont' miss anything.

10/13/2006 03:26:00 AM  

Blogger Vixen said...

Shosh, Thanks. I'll email you today!

10/13/2006 03:17:00 PM  

Anonymous 2nd Amdt said...

Are we ready for some serious comments on the books? I finished Night Pleasures, and while it was a good book, I was disappointed with the last third or so of the book.

I've never been a big Rocky fan; do you know what movie I'm talking about? My husband commented that each movie had the same theme - Rocky would lose, lose again, lose a few more times, before he finally won. Kyrian seemed to do the same thing. Desi found his weakness (arms held down), exploited it a few times, and yet Kyrian got out of the situations, mostly through no power of his own. If Kyrian is that strong of a DH, why hasn't he gotten over this in the last 2000 years?

There were also a lot of references to Amanda's 'powers', but it wasn't until the very end that she all of a sudden had any. They didn't explain what they were (that I caught). She even used them once to help Kyrian, but then during the last fight scenes, she says Desi is the one that unleashed them. I didn't think SK explained or explored this part of the heroine very well.

And finally, I don't think SK really explained how Desi could do some of the things that he wasn't supposed to be able to do. Okay, he was the son of a god, but they never connected that to him going in to houses when he wasn't invited, etc. Maybe I just wasn't following the supernatural part of the storyline enough.

Seems like I just have complaints about the book, but I've never really did one of these book club things. I liked the book overall, it was a quick read, but I'm thinking not a keeper for me unless other books in the series turn out to be keepers for me.

10/13/2006 08:00:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

I'm having a major problem and don't know if I can get past it. The whole *soul* business, and not having one. How's it supposed to feel? It's such a focal point, but what does it mean?
Now I can't even concentrate because of it. They still feel desire, they bleed, they have a heart, but to me, a soul is "who you are" and with out one, you're nobody so I don't know how to relate it to the story.

10/13/2006 08:53:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

RE: NIGHT PLEASURES
Ok, ignore my previous post as I'm going to sort of ignore the *soul* thing and focus on the relationship of Kyrian and Amanda. OMG, could SK make him any more tortured?? Literally! (As bad as Jamie in Harlot's OUTLANDER, LMAO)

btw, maybe it would be a good idea to preface our posts with the title of the specific book we're posting about? Ya know, spoilers and stuff.......lol

10/13/2006 10:29:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

Finished Dance With The Devil. I love Simi. Cracks me up. I wish I had a credit card that someone else paid.

I liked Zarek's smart-ass attitude and how tough he was but after a while his pity party got old. Sometimes I wanted Astrid to smack his face and say, "QUIT THE FUCKIN WHINING! I said I like you now take it and shut the fuck up!"

Over all I liked it though and SK didn't whore Dark-hunter.com so much in this book, thanks be to God. I think it was Night Embrace she mentioned the web site about 5 times in 3 pages and I wanted to puke.

10/14/2006 01:47:00 AM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

I'll start with admitting that NIGHT PLEASURES was entertaining. Here's the thing about some heavy paranormals. It's completely at the author's whim to change/make-up the *rules* as she goes. And I don't like that.
The website thing was a bit ridiculous.
And with the 3rd crucifiction of Kyrian I'm thinking, ugh, here we go again. The first 2 were dramatic enough. The 3rd was overkill.
I like the way SK explains the creation of this *world* of vamps and daimons and gods. Lots of imagination and tie-ins of greek mythology which was cool.
BUT, unlike some other paranormal stories, these leave me feeling like they are truly based in evil.... is diabolical the right term? And that turns me off.

OH, lol, I would have preferred that when Kyrian came, it impowered him instead of drained him :P I do lurv a hero that is stupidly rich though :D

2nd admt, I think Amanda was just all-powerful, lol.

10/14/2006 02:36:00 AM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

I'm totally falling for this series, and by the end, my feelings will probably equal my love of KMM's HIGHLANDER series *big, big grin*
I just started DANCE WITH THE DEVIL, having finished NIGHT EMBRACE and this is a spoiler for DANCE..., so don't read this post if you haven't read the book:
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I think it is so-way-cool that Simi is a tatoo on Ash's arm! I never expected that, after meeting her in THE BEGINNING.

10/15/2006 07:57:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

On to Kiss Of The Night. I'm 151 pages into it and at first I was thinking, WHY DID THIS BOOK COME OUT AFTER TALON'S STORY SINCE IT IS HAPPENING BEFORE TALON'S STORY? Then I decided to go with the flow. So far so good but, for some reason, Cassandra's bodyguard, Kat, has the voice on Wanda Sykes in my head and I can't make it stop. LOL. I think it was they sarcasm from here that reminded me of Wanda. WIERD!

10/16/2006 09:33:00 AM  

Blogger Vanessa said...

GWB, I think Wulf's story coincides(sp) with Talon's. I'm reading Kiss of the Night too. :D By the way, was I the only one who got confused with KOTN'S prologue?

10/16/2006 09:41:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

KISS OF THE NIGHT

Vanessa,

The only thing I got from his prologue was that Apollo's race he made, the Apollites, got banned from Greece by Zeus so Apollo put them in Atlantis. Then he got some Atlantean queen knocked up and that child was supposedly the one that would over-throw the Atlantean gods so Apollo would have the power to over throw his dad, Zeus, so he could rule the world.

The "god-queen" of Atlantis, Apollymi, (the Destroyer) got pregnant at the same time by Archon, her hubby. Which, by the way, is really close name to Acheron (Ash), who had "royal parents", as we found out in Dance With The Devil, and he is the only remaining Atlantean. Anyway, Apollymi gave birth early and sent him to the mortal world to hide (because this child was going to be the death of the Atlantean race, said the Fates and Archon wanted the baby dead but Apollymi didn’t want to kill her baby). Archon locked up Apollymi and said, "There you will stay until your son is dead." In Night Embrace, when the Destroyer was going to be released, it was said that ONLY Ash could kill her/stop her or something like that.

Meanwhile, the queen who was knocked up by Apollo, was about to give birth, and the Atlantean gods were going to kill that baby, thinking it was where Apollymi hid her baby (because Apollmi's sister told the gods that, to cover their tracks) but Apollo and Artemis already switched that baby out with some other baby so his son, who would over throw the Atlantean gods, was safe.

So the queen who's baby was killed got pissed at Apollo for not knocking her up again to replace the baby that was killed (she didn't know her son was really alive) so she found out that Apollo had another son to a Greek princess, and decided to send some Apollites (who were mad at Apollo for "forgetting about them") to kill this baby and mom. So they did and Apollo got pissed and cursed them to die at 27 and not be able to come out in the sun (since he is the sun god).

Summary, Apollmi's son is out there somewhere and Apollo's son is out there somewhere too. (Right?)

10/17/2006 09:57:00 AM  

Anonymous 2nd Amdt said...

I'm thinking I need a score card.

10/17/2006 11:54:00 AM  

Blogger Lollie Rose said...

I just finished Kiss of the Night. I have a lot of thoughts about who or what Ash is and his relationship with the gods. I'll wait till I read more of the books. By the way, Artie is a BIG BITCH! Starting Seize of the Night today. :) Loving this series bitches!

10/20/2006 07:33:00 AM  

Blogger Lorelei said...

RE: DANCE WITH THE DEVIL

Zarek is my favorite DH yet, besides Ash of course. His life when he's still a slave was heartbreaking. I felt so sorry for Z when he was trying to buy that bread and no one wanted to sell him some. Also the cruelty of his father and brothers made me cringe! I really like Zarek, more than I like Kyrian. I like his friend Sundown too - does he have a book of his own?

I love Simi!!! She's a riot! She always makes me smile whenever she's in the scene. And she is so cute! LOL

There's something about Kenyon's writing that bugs me. I can't pinpoint what it is though. I can't really say SK is a "great" writer, despite that, I'm really enjoying this series and the fun characters.

10/20/2006 05:51:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

Still rereading. And since i can't remember everything (been so long sinc ei've read these books!), started from FANTASY LOVER. Yep LOL. I'm reading Vane's book now. :P


Lorelei,
I lovelovelove Simi! She's adorable!

10/20/2006 06:51:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

RE: KISS OF THE NIGHT

Vanessa and GWB,
Regarding KOTN's prologue, there are two sons of Apollo mentioned there. The first one was the son of the Atlantean queen. He survived but died at the age of 27 (like all Apollites). That's why Cassandra is now the only Apollite left who's a direct descendant of Apollo.

21 years after the first son was born, a Greek princess gave birth to the second son. But he died when he's still an infant. His death was the reason why Apollo cursed all Apollites.

To sum it up, BOTH of Apollo's sons are dead. Apollymi's son, however, is DEFINITELY alive. :P



If you guys have questions, jsut ask. :) If we know the answers, Trollop and i will try to answer them. Of course those who have answers/theories feel free to chime in. Like...
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Speaking of KOTN's prologue, there are major clues there that if you connect them with the other facts given from the first few books, you'll see that the death of Apollo's second son was one of the reasons why Ash died. And that...
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*BIG SPOILER*

The Greek princess (Apollo's mistress) was actually Ryssa, Ash's sister. Yep.
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I have a lot really LOL. Can't wait when everyone finish most of the books already. :)

10/20/2006 07:36:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

I finished KOTN, out of order and glad I did because you need to get Talon's and Zarek's story before Wulf's. And I did like getting the Appollite/Daimon perspective. I was going to skip KOTN, that's how I happened to read it out of order, then when some of you posted about the prologue, changed my mind.
Next is SEIZE THE NIGHT which I've really been looking forward to.
I think it would be really nice if, at the conclusion of this bookclub selection, *someone* ( I'm too lazy) would post a synopsis of each book :P.......just as a review :D

10/22/2006 11:58:00 AM  

Blogger Harlot said...

Hotmama,

KOTN's storyline coincides both Talon and Zarek's stories. This book gives you a lot of info about the Apollites and their curse. It also shows us that Ash really is a god (and i'm not talking of his uber hotness LOL). Apollymi, Stryker and the Abadonna, three VERY important characters in the series, are also introduced in KOTN.

Now SEIZE has a lot of info about Ash (that raises a lot of questions!!!), and some significant things happen there that shaped the series. Yep. :P But, just in case you have the time to read NIGHT PLAY (book after KOTN, before SEIZE), don't skip; it's a good Were-Hunter book. You'll know more about the Weres this time. Actually NP is Trollop's fave book yet in the series. I think Shosh's too. ;)

10/22/2006 12:42:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

Harlot, I did read NIGHT PLAY.
Spoiler for KOTN:
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Isn't Kat the Abadonna?
Yes, I'm getting the impression that Ash has power over *everything*. There's nothing he can't change (just about), and yet he seems to also have such a human side too, rather, a sensitive side.

10/22/2006 12:51:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

*SPOILERS ABOUT KAT/KATRA*
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Yep, that's Kat alright. Abadonna means "the heart of the Destroyer". She serves both Apollymi and Artemis, who are mortal enemies. Makes you think why, no? :D And Ash, who knows EVERYONE, doesn't even know she exists! She's like a secret between Artemis and Apollymi LOL.


*SPOILER INDEED GRRR*
Fucking spoils my taste!
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There's been some talk that Kat is one of the possible heroine for Ash (you'll find out why in SEIZE). Don't get me wrong, Kat's fine, but why oh why does she have to be Ash's heroine??? NOT that it's confirmed!


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What's confirmed is ... Ash is Apollymi's son (confirmed in the short story SECOND CHANCES). Yep. The one Archon wanted dead, so Apollymi hid him in the mortal world (that's why Ash was born human). Now, Kat, besides the possibilty of her being Ash's heroine, there's another theory (this one i like; will get quotes later that support it :P). She could be Artemis and Ash's daughter--that's why she serves both Artemis (her mom) and Apollymi (her grandma). So it's like, Artemis got pregnant and didn't tell Ash (if this is the case, Artie is soooo freaking dead when Ash finds out! LOL). You'll notice Kat never lets Ash sees her, she always vanishes when he's around, and he can't sense her. So big question about Kat is, is she Ash's daughter or heroine? Yeah... Dammit, Ash's book is taking so long! I've been waiting for two fucking years already!

10/22/2006 02:27:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

Harlot, I started reading your spoiler and then went, OOps, not there yet, lol, and stopped.

Where do I find the short story, SECOND CHANCES ? To get this crucial info....

10/22/2006 05:07:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

Seize The Night


TOO FUNNY! I just started this book, about 75 pages into it I about died laughing. Zarek hitting him with a personal rain cloud! LOL, I love Zarek and his humor.

10/23/2006 01:53:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

GWB, I just finished SEIZE. It's my fav so far. Do the books keep getting better, or is it just me?
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Loved the *penironi* Tabitha served Valerius. I've seen that at an adult store, lol. Picture Val eating it :P
Oh, we see all kinds of vulnerablity in Ash in this one. I wonder if that's why I liked it. I also loved Val's character, rigid, proper, gentlemanly, instead of another Bad Boy (not that I don't love those too!) The irony shows up at how both Val and Zarek seemed to be equally tortured, as mortal and immortal, both of their lives sucked until their lady loves freed them. I know all the heroe's lives sucked before but these two had it the worst, so far, IMO.

10/23/2006 02:38:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

Re: Harlot, I started reading your spoiler and then went, OOps, not there yet, lol, and stopped.

Hotmama, if you've read up to at least KOTN, the ones i've mentioned aren't really spoilers since those haven't happened yet, or probably won't even happen! LOL They're just theories (where you can agree or disagree with me). I think that's one of the beauty of DH series, you get to make theories connecting the different clues/lines you came across the books. Haven't you wondered what or who Ash is? Why/how did he die? Why the Greek pantheon is afraid of him? What exactly is his connection with Artemis? Why Apollymi won't let Stryker attack Ash? Why Kat is serving both Apollymi and Artemis (who are mortal enemies)? Why Kat is the "heart of the Destroyer"? Things like that. :P The good thing is, SK put all the clues right up front for anyone who was looking to see. However, nothing is conclusive until Ash's book is released. ;)

10/23/2006 03:38:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

I can't freaking find SECOND CHANCES. SK's site is changing. I think they're moving into another server and i can't find the short story i've mentioned. :/ When i find it, will post the link here.

10/23/2006 03:47:00 PM  

Blogger Vicious Trollop said...

I read second chances the other day (can't have been more than a week ago)! That's the one with Styxx right? I think it's linked where it says extra scenes or something. Will check it out later and link if I find it.

I really really need to re-read. I had dozens of theories (good ones I might add, not like Harlot's *hmmph* :P ) but I've forgotten them all!!!!!!!!!!

10/23/2006 04:45:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

I found SECOND CHANCES. Hope I can get back to it. It is under Dark Hunter News at Dark Hunter.com. It was a booklet released with SINS OF THE NIGHT, which I'm reading now, but mine is a used copy. Don't know if a new copy would include it.

10/23/2006 07:33:00 PM  

Blogger Shoshana said...

Hotmama, it would probably include it if it's part of it in the first place.

10/23/2006 07:57:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

SECOND CHANCES is a must-read. It is also supposed to be an insert in UNLEASH THE NIGHT, so I'll look at the bookstore for a new copy, I want my own to have and hold :D
Hope you're right, Shosh!

10/23/2006 09:30:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

1. Deleted scene from NIGHT EMBRACE

2. Deleted scene from SEIZE THE NIGHT

3. SECOND CHANCES. Short story with Ash and Styxx that came out with SEIZE THE NIGHT. Spoilers included. Preferably, don't read until you finish NIGHT PLEASURE, NIGHT EMBRACE, DANCE WITH THE DEVIL, KISS OF THE NIGHT.

10/24/2006 01:12:00 PM  

Blogger Vanessa said...

Harlot,
Thanks for that. I've been reading your theories and I agree about your assessment of Kat. That scene in SEIZE THE NIGHT doesn't tell me Kat is Ash's heroine. The way she has approached him, I see it more like a daughter who's been longing of her father. I think it's in KOTN where Kat said she takes up from her dad who understands both Apollymi and Artemis. And if Ash is Apollymi's son, then it makes sense why Kat is serving and loyal to both goddesses. But why would Artemis hide the fact that she's pregnant with Ash's child? Isn't that what would tie Ash to her? God knows she's been panting for Ash lol.

Also, Ryssa (Ash's sister) is Apollo's mistress, the one who was brutally murdered with her child that made Apollo cursed all the Apollites? If so, in NIGHT EMBRACE, Styxx said that Ash LET her sister died??? Is this true?

10/24/2006 01:45:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

Seize The Night



Jaw on floor for the last couple of chapters of STN. This is the best book yet because it has me NEEDING to read the next book, Sins Of The Night. The other books were good but I always had a feeling of closure at the end, but this one definitely made me feel like a "To Be Continued..." was thrown out there.

I just ordered Dark Side Of The Moon, Love At First Bite and My Big Fat Supernatural Wedding. After that I have to wait until 1/07 (Fear The Darkness) and 2/07 (The Dream Hunter) to read more. Bummer. Are these books Nick's and Ash's?

What did Ash's saying to Nick "kill yourself to save me the trouble" or something like that, have to do with his (Nick's) mom dying? Or was that the only catalyst that would drive Nick to do so and since Ash is a god, if he says it, it must come true?

10/25/2006 09:39:00 AM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

No spoilers:
I think I may need a break from the Dark Hunters. SOTN is not holding me as much as the last few books. And yet there's plenty of interesting things revealed here too. Maybe Seize was just sooo good that it spoiled me.

Ok, I'm near the end of SOTN and wondering how SK is going to finagle(sp?) this happy ending. But being the creator, she can bend/change any rule she wants!

10/25/2006 12:15:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

Oooh, or maybe it's just that Ash can bend/change any rule he wants....

10/25/2006 12:17:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

OK, so I really enjoy the books of this series, well stories 1-13, I haven't gotten past 13 yet. But, I'm a really tired of any time some one gets touched in a sexual way, (grabbing his junk, fingering her junk, oral sex, initial penetration) that SK ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS says that the receiving partner "hisses". E-FUCKING-NUFF with the hissing! 20 times a story, hissing!

All I can imagine is a poor cat getting a fat, 20-inch long dildo shoved in its ass on a sneak attack! Try out the words groan, moan, purr and sharp breath, something other than hiss. Stop it already!

10/26/2006 02:34:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

I luurrrv Wren! Gggrrowl! In UNLEASH THE NIGHT.

GWB, lol, yeah, a bit too much growling and hissing. And like Lorelei said earlier, there is somthing that bugs me about the writing. Now, if we weren't reading them all back to back, it might not be as irritating.

Did I mention I luv Wren?? I'm just about halfway and I'm afraid he'll come close to losing his powers and become a tigard permanently. Maggie'll find him at the zoo! And rescue him of course. I'm sure that her mother had some Were blood in her....... Let's see how well I theorized, lol.

10/26/2006 02:47:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

I just finished Sins Of The Night and am about to start Wren's book, Unleash The Night. Then I have to wait for Dark Side Of The Moon to come in from Amazon. I know it shipped today, Thursday so hopefully I'll have it be Monday because I know I'll have UTN done by Friday night. I need to learn to read slower. Between October 4th and now, the 25th, I’ve read all 14 books/stories from the list. That is sick. No wonder my book credit card is jacked :(

Hotmama, I'm excited to read UTN since you are liking it. I think suspense wise, Seize The Night is the best and Sins Of The Night didn't live up to a good To Be Continued book. It was good though, lots of clues...

10/26/2006 09:20:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

The Glossary in the back of UNLEASH is like reading a mini review of all the books. Nice little refresher. Seize and Unleash may be my favs. And my theory was way off on Unleash, lol.That's good though, what author wants to be called predictable ?

I almost feel like I might reread a few of these at some point.
Now it's just waiting for Dark Side paperback :D

Nick's story hasn't been published yet, has it? Or is Dark Side his story??

10/26/2006 10:54:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

Vanessa,
About Kat, i think so too. Personally, that scene in SEIZE doesn't tell me anything, except that Kat is someone special to Ash. But i'm leaning towards Kat being his daughter than his heroine. :P She could very well be his sister too, though i've never seen clues that might point to this (correct me if i'm wrong). So far, Kat could be anyone to Ash; the only thing that scene in SEIZE tells me is she is, in fact, SOMEONE to him.

But why would Artemis hide the fact that she's pregnant with Ash's child? Isn't that what would tie Ash to her? God knows she's been panting for Ash lol.

You know i thought the same thing! LOL I really hate Artemis with the way she treats Ash, and i'm still iffy about her possibly having a child with him (still, i really think Kat is his daughter; if Kat could have another mom other than Artie, much better :P).

Since DH are infertile, i'm assuming that Kat was conceived while Ash was still alive. Her age supports this. Naturally, since Artie is such a horrible BITCH, i've always though she hid her pregnancy because SHE wanted to, and that she doesn't care about Ash being upset. But i keep forgetting this is the same goddess who seems to only breathe so she could make plans to own Ash. Maybe Artie wanted to surprise him? She really loves him (in her own twisted way). Maybe Artie wanted to give Ash things he thought he'd never have? A family that loves him.

But then Ryssa got killed. Apollo comes in a rage. Artie, pregnant and frightened, lord knows she could make the biggest mistake ever. I mean think about it. Pride's one of the 7 deadliest sins for a reason. Maybe shame, fear and hormones are why she didn't save Ash? Maybe she was afraid of what Apollo would do to her if he found out she was carrying Ash's child while Apollo's beloved mistress and her child lay dead.

Artemis has always been ashamed of her relationship with Ash. He's a sex slave. Whether he close that life (can't see this happening) or was forced to it, i don't know. Anyway, not to excuse Artie, but if i'm a goddess, i wouldn't want anyone to know i was sleeping with the town bike LOL. Besides, i don't think Artemis really loves anyone but herself. I don't think she knows what love really is. She's a selfish, spoiled BRAT who needs a series dose of grow up! In her own way, she loves Ash, and hated him for it. I think she thought if he died, then she'd be free of him. She hates the fact that she loves him, yet she can't bring herself to give him up, which is probably why she brought him back as a DH. Stupid heifer goddess.

Styxx said that Ash LET her sister died??? Is this true?

Yes, apparently it's true. It was mentioned that Ash was used to be addicted to that pleasure drug they gave Sunshine in NIGHT EMBRACE (can't remember the name LOL). Ash was staying with Ryssa when the Atlantean queen sent her men to kill Apollo's mistress and child. Simply put: Ash was high, Ryssa and her child dead, Apollo gutted Ash.

10/27/2006 07:56:00 AM  

Blogger Harlot said...

Hotmama,
Nick's story hasn't been published yet, has it? Or is Dark Side his story??

Nope. DSOTM is *supposed* to be Ravyn's story LOL (a were-hunter who became a dark-hunter) but it feels like it's only a transition book, more clues, preparing everyone for Ash's story next year. I'm not saying DSOTM is bad, i actually liked it *much* better than SINS (gad, Alexion and Danger suck!!!). SEIZE is still my fave, and Vane is still *drool* the hottest (with the exception of Ash :P). Also, unlike in SINS, you'll see here what happened with Nick after what he did in SEIZE.


GWB,
What did Ash's saying to Nick "kill yourself to save me the trouble" or something like that, have to do with his (Nick's) mom dying? Or was that the only catalyst that would drive Nick to do so and since Ash is a god, if he says it, it must come true?

It has to do with the "If I were you, i'd kill myself" part. As Apostolos, Ash dictates fate. So since Ash declared he would have done it if he were Nick, that led to Nick actually doing the action. I'm not sure that makes much more sense LOL. Basically Ash told Nick he should kill himself before Ash kills him.

This is part of the reason why Ash is usually so cryptic about the future because if he wants it bad enough at the time that he says it, it will probably come true. When that happens free will goes out the window.

Quote from SINS:
"Everything in the universe is changing right now. Realigning. But then you know that. I know you can feel it."

"Ash ground his teeth as pain swept through him. He knew exactly why the universe was still shifting to accommodate what never should have happened. "I made a mistake."

"Nick Gautier."

Ash nodded. "I cursed him to die and I altered numerous other lives in the process. Lives of people I love."

10/27/2006 08:07:00 AM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

So quite a few time Ash has said to the hero/herione to live happily with each other and other lovey/HEA lines, because he said it, then it will be true? Cool. I need Ash to say to me, "Marry Colin Farrell, he'll never stray, have many of babies without worry of losing your figure, and buy Tara from Gone With The Wind." Is that so freakin hard? LOL

Starting Unleash right now.

10/27/2006 08:27:00 AM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

spoiler for Sins:

What are the chances of Simi and Nick pairing up? Afterall, he did take her virginity.....

10/28/2006 02:01:00 PM  

Blogger Shoshana said...

It's been a while, and my MIL is not letting go of the whole collection yet, which I loaned her,I might add....

I like the Leopard. I can't name him coz i don't have my freking book, but isn't it sexy to sleep with a cat...a cat with a big penis? LOL

10/28/2006 05:58:00 PM  

Blogger HOTMAMA said...

Shosh, lol, are you refering to Wren who was a part tiger, part leopard Were? Vera sexy ;) Wren is def one of my favs.

10/28/2006 07:10:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

Hotmama, I don't think I would like Simi and Nick hooking up because even though she always has the body of a 20-something when she takes human form, I picture her a being a little girl, just from the way she talks and acts and sex with little kids is so sick and so wrong.

Nick is somewhat immature when it comes to women, almost like he tries too hard to be cool/sexy, so, I think he needs time to get a little darker and mature and needs a woman that will put him in his place with all of his smart-ass remarks. He needs a chick that will throw him down and screw him so much that he doesn't have time to make an ass of himself trying to be cool. This is the man-child that thinks money and bad pick-up lines is the way to woo a woman. Geez, if Nick is having a book so soon, he'll barely have any time in as a DH.

I hope him and Ash make-up soon. BTW, Dark Side Of The Moon, My Big Fat Supernatural Wedding and Love At Firt Bite are who's stories? Are they (MBFSW and LAFB) just little stories that are just fillers or are there hints about Ash in it? Unleash had no Ash or DH in it which was a little bit of a bummer. I almost wish that all the people/animals would all hang together since they are all supernatural.

10/29/2006 02:50:00 AM  

Blogger Vanessa said...

Harlot, that makes sense! I like your theories, and I agree. Is it possible that Ash and Artie will end up together? I know she's such a bitch but all we've heard so far is Ash's side of the story. Told from her point of view, she is probably attractive, not exactly "good" but not as bad or such a bitch as we see her now. Look at Valerius and Zarek. They were both despicable at first but I ended up loving them after reading their books. Besides didn't Ash used to love her? What if SK gives Artie another chance to betray Ash but this time she comes through for him?

10/30/2006 10:19:00 AM  

Blogger Harlot said...

Vanessa,
I really hate Artemis LOL. She freaking beats Ash! WTF??? Personally, i want a new character to be Ash's heroine because i want to see him being swept off his feet and learning to trust and falling in love and all that stuff. But i think, whoever ends up being Ash's heroine, it'll be good. And verra exciting. ;) I agree though about Artie's side of the story. I for one wants to know why she betrayed Ash. With all her twistedness, you can't deny she worships Ash. And good point, Ash used to love her once. There's really quite something about their relationship, now and before he died.

10/30/2006 03:16:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

Ok I have officially read every DH story out there. Over all I like the series and I am excited for 1/07 to get the next book.

As far as the small stories, the one in a compilation book, they were ok but almost not worth it. They were rushed because they were only 100 pages or less and I didn't like that most of them didn't have the group of DH involved, it seemed almost like they were the only ones. I like when the characters have cameos in the others books. I'm a fan of reoccurring characters if there is a series. To me it would almost make since to put these smaller stories as a back ground story in with one of the big stories, or wait until there was a novels worth. I would have liked to seen Esperetta’s and Velkan’s story become a novel.

Most of the novels were good/great but it sucked that because the first couple books (Not Fantasy Lover or Dragonswan but the real DH novels) were so good then the next book or two would pale in comparison because it wasn't written as well but on it's own it would of been good.

I didn’t understand the appeal of Ash at first; actually, I didn’t really get it until I was on Valerius’ and Tabatha’s book but, now I really dig him. I might sound like a nut case, which I am but usually I hide it better, but, I don’t think about throwing Ash down and raping him, I almost feel like I want to give him a hug and be motherly to him. He seems so alone.

I’m really glad I read these and I plan on continuing to read this series as they come out. Thanks ladies for opening my eyes to something I NEVER would of read before.

11/17/2006 09:30:00 AM  

Anonymous 2nd Amdt said...

I was beginning to think people were done discussing these books (doesn't this run through the end of November?)

I just picked up Kiss of the Night to start. I can't read series books like this back-to-back. Just too much for me.

DANCE WITH THE DEVIL

I'm not sure I quite got why Zarek was banished, and unfortunately I finished the book over a week ago, so now I don't even remember why I didn't get it.

It's a good series and I'll keep going, though it may take me a while. I do look forward to finding out more about Ash.

11/17/2006 11:34:00 PM  

Blogger Shoshana said...

Is there another book coming? I thought I just read that Other Side of Midnight?

Was there another book for that other series she does? I kind of like those people there.

11/18/2006 07:02:00 PM  

Blogger Shoshana said...

Oh brother! Blogger hates me! Just when I had so much fun when SouthPark drawing.

Is there another book out for SK? What about for her other historical? I could look it up...but I'd rather hear from you guys. I am not getting enough sleep and I'd rather read old post than google new books.

11/18/2006 07:04:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

2nd amdt,

DANCE WITH THE DEVIL



Zarek has been banished to Alaska for the past 900 years for burning down the village he was supposed to protect, and killing everyone in it. Acheron managed to persuade Artemis to give him one more chance but then he killed those two cops in N.O. and Artie the bitch goddess wants him dead cuase she never liked him.

But remember, he didn't really burn down the village. Ash had to erase people's memories so they didn't know what really happened was the original D.H. killer went berzerk or something.

11/20/2006 10:42:00 AM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

Shoshana,

There is a new SK book, about a Dream Hunter, so it is part of the DH series, it comes out in Jan 30th I think.

Also, there is another story, I think based on Nick but not Nick's love story. I think it expands on what Nick went through when he first became a DH and what is going through his head. This is going to be on the DH web page as a freebie from SK to thank the fans or something. I believe this is also in Jan.

I think Ash's stories come out in July, well, one of them. I think she only plans on having 2 DH (Dream and Dark Hunter) books and a small web freebie for 2007, I'm not sure though. That's how I understood it from her web page.

11/20/2006 10:51:00 AM  

Blogger Vanessa said...

Oh, great, people are still discussing the DH books. :D I think someone said before that SK will be releasing Ash's book in one volume. If that happens, that'll be around 700 pages? Whoa.. that's a lot of Ash!

11/20/2006 01:41:00 PM  

Anonymous 2nd Amdt said...

Dance with the Devil: GBW - that's what I mean about not understanding. Z was banished for doing something he didn't do. Huh? And Ash compromised by just getting him banished and not terminated? Once you found out what actually happened, I just thought it was a let down because IMO there was no good reason to let Z think that he did what he was accused of for 900 years.

I think I grabbed the next one too quickly, because I really buzzed thru Kiss of the Night and again felt that things didn't make sense. In fact, I think I skipped most of the part between her getting pregnant and them moving to the Appollite hideaway.

I've bought most of the rest of the series, but will space out reading them. Or maybe I should lump them all together because I'm getting lost trying to remember who all the gods are and stuff.

I'm also noticing what I think are inconsistencies that drive me nuts. For example, I think in the earlier books they say that Daimons need a human soul every 3 days to stay alive past 27. But in a later book, a Daimon is looking at someone and comments that their soul would probably last 6 months. I don't remember where I read the first comment, so I can't (or won't) go back and confirm my memory, but this leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

11/21/2006 04:10:00 PM  

Blogger Shoshana said...

GWB, thank you so much. I think I'll pre-buy so I won't forget. Last time, the book was out for like 3 months before I got to it. :)

11/25/2006 03:58:00 PM  

Blogger Milan Loka said...

Hey you guys!
Im sorry I am getting into this convo a bit late but here is my take on the whole thing:
First of all, you can get a great background history of the begining of the dark hunters in Ash's story, which is found on the SK website or in the back of Night Play (I believe). In Wulf's book they also give a great background bit.

Kat, the abadonna, is definately not Ash's love interest...well i'm pretty sure anyway, because the spoiler on the website is that Ash's love interest is in the story 'Dream Hunter which comes out in Jan.' Kytera, One of the most powerful dream hunters whose powers Rival Ash's and Savitar's is a main character in Dream Hunter.

No one knows where Kytera, the most beautiful placid, dream hunter is originated from.

Ash needs a woman powerful enough for him otherwise the story wont hold weight.

So there is my hypothesis: Kat the daughter, Kytera, the lover.

And as for the inconsistencies about daemons needing souls to survive and for how long they can survive, if they take the soul of a witch or a powerful human, then the soul lasts longer. Another important thing to remember is the older the daemon, the more souls needed for survival.

I went to New Orleans recently and I took pictures of places where some of the characters are placed in S.K's books. check it out!
milanloka@blogspot.com

hope that was helpful!

12/05/2006 11:13:00 PM  

Blogger Gun_Wielding_Bitch said...

2nd amdt,

As far as the souls go, the stronger the person, the longer the soul lasts. Not physically strong, but emotionally I think.

Ash's friend that lives with him (forgot his name)got a scared, weak willed woman and her should was going to die quick cause all she did was freak out and cry. But someone that was mentally and emotionally tough would last longer. For example, the were-hunters are really careful because if a daimon sucks their soul, it will last a long time but they get the were-hunter's powers too.

As far as Zarek, you are right, it wasn't fair but it had to be done because no one is/was supposed to know about The Destroyer or anything about Ash and the other world so Ash had to erase his memory because Zarek wasn't ready to know the truth. It would of effed things up.

The web site is saying 18 more days till Dream Hunter is out but I click the link and it says Jan 30th. WTF?

Are we getting a new BBC for Dec or are the technical difficulties putting a halt to it?

12/07/2006 02:24:00 PM  

Anonymous sweetangelrei said...

Must read "The Dream Hunter" which came out in February 2007. For those of you wondering about Ash's HEA, it's someone with an "A" in her name and it's not Katra. I think she's his daughter with Artemis! Anyway, there's someone there named Cynthia (THIA for short) and she's the complete replica of Artemis and Cynthia happens to be one of Artemis' name in Greek/Roman Mythology! There's also one named Tory Kafieri(i'm thinking real name is Victoria), who is another cousin of this book's HEA! I am all for Tory being his heroine!

It ties a lot of loose ends and great prep for Ash's 2 books that should come out in December 2007! Can't hardly wait!!!

2/10/2007 06:33:00 PM  

Blogger Harlot said...

OMG, Sweetangelrei, thanks for this! You have no idea how happy i am about Katra not being Ash's heroine! LOL. (I've always thought she is Ash's and Artie's daughter..)

I've yet to get DREAM HUNTER, it's not here yet in my country but i did get Nick's e-book. Any news about Ash's book title? Is it that one listed in Amazon PHANTOM IN THE NIGHT? Nothing yet from SK's site..

Anyway, welcome and i hope you'll join us and post often! :D

2/10/2007 11:59:00 PM